Author: Thomas Mayer
Date: 05:02:20 02/26/04
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Hi Frank, >>> http://chessprogramming.org/cccsearch/ccc.php?art_id=333335 >>well, I believe that Frank came to that conclusion because of the results he >>got... okay, might be a bit marketing also. > why you gave such a comment? Improve your english. That was just a guess of mine... besides: there is nothing wrong with showing some good results before releasing something new. If you can read I clearly state that you made your statements BECAUSE you had results that indicate it. On the other hand: You state in the mentioned posting that you believe that Ruffian 2.0.0 is about 50-60 Elos stronger then the version 23.06.2003 (which is the Leiden version, am I right ?) After the results of 2.0.0 were not as good as expected you said that it is not as strong an blitz. Later you said that it has problems with fisher time controls. And a bit later you said that maybe the Leiden version (23.06.2003 ?) is a bit stronger - because the v2.0.0 is - your words - in fact a beta version and was not tested very much. So what is correct now ? > I add my personal results in my forum and Arena webpages. I have no other > results. I think since the release of Ruffian 2.0.0 you should have now MANY more games - you even comment on many of the results - always with the same story that your own results show a difference... But for the conclusion in that posting - Ruffian 2.0.0 50-60 Elo stronger then Ruffian 23.06.2003 -> how many games did you have to claim that ? Just a question, not an insult of course ! You may remember the Gandalf-story... There you also said that it is one of the best if not the best engine at all. Gandalf was strong those days and still is - but there was a difference between dreams and reality. Besides that -> you might have read my complete posting: a) I pointed out that I still believe that Ruffian 2.0.0 is stronger then Ruffian 1.0.1 b) I even defend you that it is possible that your results seem to indicate that it is way better. Seems that you offend everybody who tries to defend you... not very kind... it seems that you still must realize that you are a businessman in computer chess now and must live with bad and good news. I believe that some of the older heros here like Ed or Ossi can tell you much about hits bellow the belt in that business. The SSDF-Result is of course not such a hit - it's simply reality. I hope that we will not see anotherone now you forces the SSDF to take an engine off the list. Greets, Thomas P.S.: And believe me, the result of Ruffian 2.0.0 will get better - so far only ~ 150 games are played and only 4 opponents. It might not jump 100 Elos ahead but I have no doubts that it will end up higher then Ruffian 1.0.1...
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