Author: Tom Likens
Date: 14:51:52 02/26/04
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On February 26, 2004 at 17:35:51, martin fierz wrote: >On February 26, 2004 at 17:19:20, Tom Likens wrote: > >> >>Well, it's time I broke down and implemented learning. I've noticed that >>my program has become a target for a few carbon-based lifeforms on ICC. What >>I've ascertained is that some (lower-rated) players will play the program over >>and over in blitz until they manage a win against it. Then they play the >>same game over and over and grab the rating points. It works because a win >>by the program only nets back a point or two while a loss transfers a large >>number of points to the lower rated player. The program, being only as smart >>as its programmer, happily plays the same (losing) game over and over :( >> >>I'm actually surprised that anyone takes their ICC rating that serious, but >>apparently they do. Of course I could no play them, but what's the fun in >>that? Besides that seems cowardly ;-) >> >>Learning would get rid of the problem entirely and make the program's book >>better as a bonus. So when I get back from the artic reaches of Minnesota >>(it's work-related, don't ask) learning is next up on the docket. I guess I >>should kill the program until I get back home. I was going to let it play >>for the next two weeks continously, but I'm not so sure now (or maybe I >>should just let it limbo, "...how low can you go") >> >>regards, >>--tom > >hi tom, > >i have seen the same behavior of the low-rated players. in fact, this constitues >abuse as far as ICC is concerned - you can report them and they will lose their >rating points again :-) >but when this happened to me, i never reported anybody. after all, these crazy >guys are in fact great testers: they will try and try and try until they find a >way to beat up your program. which isn't all that bad, because mostly there is >something to learn from that... >i solved that type of problem more or less by adding a very broad opening book >to my program, now the abusers at least can't shoot at a sitting duck any more. > >cheers > martin Hey Martin, Naw, I don't want to report anyone either. I'm really not that hung up on ratings but did find it interesting. I've had "implementing learning" on my TODO list for a while now, so this will be the final impetus I need to get off my duff and finish it. Like you I also consider them great testers, (these humans, in general, are a tricky lot ;-) Also anyone trying this in the future will be a great acid test for any learning algorithm(s) I implement. regards, --tom
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