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Subject: Re: Time to implement Learning

Author: Tom Likens

Date: 14:51:52 02/26/04

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On February 26, 2004 at 17:35:51, martin fierz wrote:

>On February 26, 2004 at 17:19:20, Tom Likens wrote:
>
>>
>>Well, it's time I broke down and implemented learning.  I've noticed that
>>my program has become a target for a few carbon-based lifeforms on ICC. What
>>I've ascertained is that some (lower-rated) players will play the program over
>>and over in blitz until they manage a win against it.  Then they play the
>>same game over and over and grab the rating points.  It works because a win
>>by the program only nets back a point or two while a loss transfers a large
>>number of points to the lower rated player.  The program, being only as smart
>>as its programmer, happily plays the same (losing) game over and over :(
>>
>>I'm actually surprised that anyone takes their ICC rating that serious, but
>>apparently they do.  Of course I could no play them, but what's the fun in
>>that?  Besides that seems cowardly ;-)
>>
>>Learning would get rid of the problem entirely and make the program's book
>>better as a bonus.  So when I get back from the artic reaches of Minnesota
>>(it's work-related, don't ask) learning is next up on the docket.  I guess I
>>should kill the program until I get back home.  I was going to let it play
>>for the next two weeks continously, but I'm not so sure now (or maybe I
>>should just let it limbo, "...how low can you go")
>>
>>regards,
>>--tom
>
>hi tom,
>
>i have seen the same behavior of the low-rated players. in fact, this constitues
>abuse as far as ICC is concerned - you can report them and they will lose their
>rating points again :-)
>but when this happened to me, i never reported anybody. after all, these crazy
>guys are in fact great testers: they will try and try and try until they find a
>way to beat up your program. which isn't all that bad, because mostly there is
>something to learn from that...
>i solved that type of problem more or less by adding a very broad opening book
>to my program, now the abusers at least can't shoot at a sitting duck any more.
>
>cheers
>  martin

Hey Martin,

Naw, I don't want to report anyone either.  I'm really not that hung up on
ratings but did find it interesting.  I've had "implementing learning" on
my TODO list for a while now, so this will be the final impetus I need to
get off my duff and finish it.  Like you I also consider them great testers,
(these humans, in general, are a tricky lot ;-)

Also anyone trying this in the future will be a great acid test for any
learning algorithm(s) I implement.

regards,
--tom



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