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Subject: Re: What engine do GM's use for evaluation?

Author: Bigler David

Date: 05:36:52 02/27/04

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On February 27, 2004 at 08:26:56, Geert van der Wulp wrote:

>On February 27, 2004 at 08:08:07, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On February 27, 2004 at 08:02:08, Geert van der Wulp wrote:
>>
>>>On February 27, 2004 at 07:56:28, Nick Rowe wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 27, 2004 at 07:07:47, Thorsten Greiner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>I am interested in knowing which engines GM's use for evaluation of their games.
>>>>>>Anyone has info about that?
>>>>>
>>>>>I tend to think that most use a rather complicated, carbon-based neural network
>>>>>which has been trained for many years using advanced learning techniques. :-)
>>>>
>>>>Probably most high 90% use Fritz in some capacity.  Not to say that it is best,
>>>>but it is certainly good and has been around a long time  and is well known.
>>>>Junior, Hiarcs, and Shredder will also be used by a number.  shredder 8, though
>>>>i'm starting to believe is truly the best overall i used to be a holdout for
>>>>Fritz, but i think the mantle has clearly passed to shredder with the release of
>>>>shredder 8
>>>
>>>But WHY do you believe this is the case? I am not looking for the strongest
>>>program, any one of these programs will beat the shit out of me.
>>
>>This is not important.
>>Every car is going to move faster than you.
>>
>>Does it mean that you do not care if someone tells you that the fastest speed
>>that some car can go is only 60 km/hour?
>>
>>People do not buy new cars in order to compete with them and people usually also
>>do not buy new chess programs in order to compete with them.
>>
>>Uri
>
>Ehhhhhhhhhhh, your point is ............. ?
>
>You say exactly the same as I do, but you present it as if your point of view is
>contradicting with mine. You must be a politician, or become one.
>
>You seem to be extremely talented, as I have no idea why you respond to unasked
>questions and give answers that seem to contain information but are completely
>empty on more accurate inspection. Besides that, you compare our points of view
>with a product that is known by the masses.
>
>You must be someone who can talk for hours without saying anything and you are
>probably able to avoid certain topics with woolly language.
>
>Regards,
>
>Geert
>
>p.s. Let me make my question clear one more time. I am looking for a chess
>program that I can use to analyse games. I want it to be able to think not only
>by brute-force, but also have a lot of "intuition". I think it is interesting to
>know which engine GM's use.

Hi,
No engines have intuition.
If you want to use a "human-like" engine, maybe Hiarcs 9 is interesting.
I think that Fritz is the worst in "human-like" style.
I find that Shredder 8 is also good in this sense!

Regards



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