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Subject: Re: Please don't do such poor testing here.

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 06:15:19 02/29/04

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On February 28, 2004 at 10:48:28, Slater Wold wrote:

It was poor testing, because no optimizations default triggers -O2 in both intel
c++ and that specific visual c++ compiler, but of course with gcc and old visual
c++ it doesn't trigger -O2 by default.

So you compare -O in 32 bits with -O2 at 64 bits.

-O means no optimizations and -O2 means full optimizations but not function
inlining and no dangerous (buggy) optimizations.

So your comparision goes wrong because of the default triggering of
optimizations.

>I was comparing compilers...not CPUs.
>With Intel's compiler, with no optimizations, the FX51 gets over 1.2M nps.

>Both compilers came from the DDK, and are, per MS, exactly the same.  They just
>use different libraries.
>
>It wasn't poor testing.  You just misinterpeted it.
>
>
>On February 28, 2004 at 07:57:16, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On February 28, 2004 at 03:33:00, Slater Wold wrote:
>>
>>>cl from the Windows 2003 Server DDK used in all compilations.  No flags
>>>(optimizations) were used.
>>
>>Your results are not representing truth.
>>
>>>64-bit:
>>>Microsoft (R) C/C++ Optimizing Compiler Version 14.00.2207 for AMD64
>>>Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation 1984-2002. All rights reserved.
>>>
>>>32-bit:
>>>Microsoft (R) 32-bit C/C++ Optimizing Compiler Version 12.00.8804 for 80x86
>>>Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1984-1998. All rights reserved.
>>
>>Everyone cannot take your 32 bits results serious.
>>
>>They are a deliberate way to make 64 bits look better than it is.
>>
>>We are not fighting a intel/amd war here.
>>
>>This is too sick for words to do so. You know very well how to compile.
>>
>>Crafty at my K7 2.127Ghz (MP2600) even with slow msvc 7.1 compiler gets way
>>above 1 million nps here.
>>
>>In 32 bits it'll get another 50% more at least at the opteron you're testing.
>>
>>>
>>>Olithink:
>>>
>>>64-bit:
>>>12     8   3121  22997307  b1-c3 d7-d5 d2-d4 g8-f6 c1-f4 c8-f5 g1-f3 b8-c6 e2-e3
>>> e7-e6 f1-b5 d8-d7
>>>
>>>32-bit:
>>>12     8   3284  22997307  b1-c3 d7-d5 d2-d4 g8-f6 c1-f4 c8-f5 g1-f3 b8-c6 e2-e3
>>> e7-e6 f1-b5 d8-d7
>>>
>>>
>>>TSCP:
>>>
>>>64-bit:
>>>Nodes: 550778
>>>Best time: 1703 ms
>>>Nodes per second: 323416 (Score: 1.330)
>>>
>>>32-bit:
>>>Nodes: 550778
>>>Best time: 2875 ms
>>>Nodes per second: 191574 (Score: 0.788)
>>>
>>>
>>>Crafty:
>>>
>>>64-bit:
>>>Total nodes: 102625951
>>>Raw nodes per second: 2052519
>>>Total elapsed time: 50
>>>SMP time-to-ply measurement: 12.800000
>>>
>>>32-bit:
>>>Total nodes: 102625951
>>>Raw nodes per second: 733042
>>>Total elapsed time: 140
>>>SMP time-to-ply measurement: 4.571429



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