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Subject: Re: Ruffian versions - my FINAL conclusion

Author: Chessfun

Date: 07:57:22 02/29/04

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On February 29, 2004 at 10:50:18, Uri Blass wrote:

>On February 29, 2004 at 09:57:04, Chessfun wrote:
>
>>On February 29, 2004 at 09:45:07, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>
>>>On February 29, 2004 at 09:09:49, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 29, 2004 at 08:37:57, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 29, 2004 at 06:58:20, Sedat wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On February 29, 2004 at 04:17:05, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I think we can safely remove Ruffian from PRO engines, because there is now 4
>>>>>>>(!) versions after free 1.0.5, but it's unclear if ANY is better. This is not
>>>>>>>professional product!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jouni
>>>>>>-------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - In my opinion  Ruffian 2.0.0 is professional product,
>>>>>> - Ruffian 2.0.0 plays(in blitz)at strenght as Hiarcs 9,Deep Fritz 8,TheKing323
>>>>>> -In my Ratinlist Ruffian 2.0.0 scores 59 points better than Ruffian 1.0.5
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please check the results at this url:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.geocities.com/sedatchess/rating_all_4m_2s.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sedat
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Have you tested Ruffian 2.0.0 versus Fritz 5.32 yet , or you want me to post it
>>>>>here? I have not posted it yet because of its poor performance against Fritz
>>>>>5.32. But the only setback is the Fritz 5.32 was using Shredder8.ctg, therefore,
>>>>>the result is invalid :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>Jorge
>>>>
>>>>It means that Fritz5.32 was handicapped by a book that is clearly not tuned to
>>>>hide Fritz's weaknesses.
>>>>
>>>>I bet that kasparov will perform worse if you tell him to use the book moves
>>>>that karpov plays and it means that if you get bad results for Ruffian then your
>>>>results are even more surprising.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>     Hi Uri
>>>     I think Jorge wanted to say that Fritz532 clearly won!!!
>>>     And therefore we can't speak about a book handicap.
>>>     Kurt
>>
>>Uri, naturally could have meant that Fritz 5.32 was handicapped when released
>>with general.ctg instead of a book that suited it's playing style as maybe
>>Shredder8.ctg does.
>>
>>Sarah.
>
>I meant that Fritz5.32 was handicapped when it was tested with shredder8.ctg and
>not with a special book that fit its playing style.


Then you didn't read between the lines as the implication was Fritz easily won
using Shredder8.ctg. And in the posters opinion this wasn't so much a handicap
as a plus.

Sarah.




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