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Subject: Re: Ruffian versions - my FINAL conclusion

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 08:05:47 02/29/04

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On February 29, 2004 at 10:57:22, Chessfun wrote:

>On February 29, 2004 at 10:50:18, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On February 29, 2004 at 09:57:04, Chessfun wrote:
>>
>>>On February 29, 2004 at 09:45:07, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 29, 2004 at 09:09:49, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 29, 2004 at 08:37:57, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On February 29, 2004 at 06:58:20, Sedat wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On February 29, 2004 at 04:17:05, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I think we can safely remove Ruffian from PRO engines, because there is now 4
>>>>>>>>(!) versions after free 1.0.5, but it's unclear if ANY is better. This is not
>>>>>>>>professional product!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jouni
>>>>>>>-------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - In my opinion  Ruffian 2.0.0 is professional product,
>>>>>>> - Ruffian 2.0.0 plays(in blitz)at strenght as Hiarcs 9,Deep Fritz 8,TheKing323
>>>>>>> -In my Ratinlist Ruffian 2.0.0 scores 59 points better than Ruffian 1.0.5
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Please check the results at this url:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.geocities.com/sedatchess/rating_all_4m_2s.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sedat
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Have you tested Ruffian 2.0.0 versus Fritz 5.32 yet , or you want me to post it
>>>>>>here? I have not posted it yet because of its poor performance against Fritz
>>>>>>5.32. But the only setback is the Fritz 5.32 was using Shredder8.ctg, therefore,
>>>>>>the result is invalid :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jorge
>>>>>
>>>>>It means that Fritz5.32 was handicapped by a book that is clearly not tuned to
>>>>>hide Fritz's weaknesses.
>>>>>
>>>>>I bet that kasparov will perform worse if you tell him to use the book moves
>>>>>that karpov plays and it means that if you get bad results for Ruffian then your
>>>>>results are even more surprising.
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>     Hi Uri
>>>>     I think Jorge wanted to say that Fritz532 clearly won!!!
>>>>     And therefore we can't speak about a book handicap.
>>>>     Kurt
>>>
>>>Uri, naturally could have meant that Fritz 5.32 was handicapped when released
>>>with general.ctg instead of a book that suited it's playing style as maybe
>>>Shredder8.ctg does.
>>>
>>>Sarah.
>>
>>I meant that Fritz5.32 was handicapped when it was tested with shredder8.ctg and
>>not with a special book that fit its playing style.
>
>
>Then you didn't read between the lines as the implication was Fritz easily won
>using Shredder8.ctg. And in the posters opinion this wasn't so much a handicap
>as a plus.
>
>Sarah.

I understood that Fritz won and I wrote
"it means that if you get bad results for Ruffian then your
results are even more surprising."

In other words if Fritz5.32 can beat Ruffian is a surprise and handicapped
Fritz5.32 beats Ruffian is even a bigger surprise.

After all Fritz5.32 is an old engine and I do not expect it to be a top program
even witha good book for it and the result suggests that Fritz5.32 with a good
book can do even better against Ruffian.

Uri



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