Author: Uri Blass
Date: 08:05:47 02/29/04
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On February 29, 2004 at 10:57:22, Chessfun wrote: >On February 29, 2004 at 10:50:18, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On February 29, 2004 at 09:57:04, Chessfun wrote: >> >>>On February 29, 2004 at 09:45:07, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >>> >>>>On February 29, 2004 at 09:09:49, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 29, 2004 at 08:37:57, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On February 29, 2004 at 06:58:20, Sedat wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On February 29, 2004 at 04:17:05, Jouni Uski wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I think we can safely remove Ruffian from PRO engines, because there is now 4 >>>>>>>>(!) versions after free 1.0.5, but it's unclear if ANY is better. This is not >>>>>>>>professional product! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Jouni >>>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - In my opinion Ruffian 2.0.0 is professional product, >>>>>>> - Ruffian 2.0.0 plays(in blitz)at strenght as Hiarcs 9,Deep Fritz 8,TheKing323 >>>>>>> -In my Ratinlist Ruffian 2.0.0 scores 59 points better than Ruffian 1.0.5 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Please check the results at this url: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>http://www.geocities.com/sedatchess/rating_all_4m_2s.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Sedat >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Have you tested Ruffian 2.0.0 versus Fritz 5.32 yet , or you want me to post it >>>>>>here? I have not posted it yet because of its poor performance against Fritz >>>>>>5.32. But the only setback is the Fritz 5.32 was using Shredder8.ctg, therefore, >>>>>>the result is invalid :-) >>>>>> >>>>>>Jorge >>>>> >>>>>It means that Fritz5.32 was handicapped by a book that is clearly not tuned to >>>>>hide Fritz's weaknesses. >>>>> >>>>>I bet that kasparov will perform worse if you tell him to use the book moves >>>>>that karpov plays and it means that if you get bad results for Ruffian then your >>>>>results are even more surprising. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>> Hi Uri >>>> I think Jorge wanted to say that Fritz532 clearly won!!! >>>> And therefore we can't speak about a book handicap. >>>> Kurt >>> >>>Uri, naturally could have meant that Fritz 5.32 was handicapped when released >>>with general.ctg instead of a book that suited it's playing style as maybe >>>Shredder8.ctg does. >>> >>>Sarah. >> >>I meant that Fritz5.32 was handicapped when it was tested with shredder8.ctg and >>not with a special book that fit its playing style. > > >Then you didn't read between the lines as the implication was Fritz easily won >using Shredder8.ctg. And in the posters opinion this wasn't so much a handicap >as a plus. > >Sarah. I understood that Fritz won and I wrote "it means that if you get bad results for Ruffian then your results are even more surprising." In other words if Fritz5.32 can beat Ruffian is a surprise and handicapped Fritz5.32 beats Ruffian is even a bigger surprise. After all Fritz5.32 is an old engine and I do not expect it to be a top program even witha good book for it and the result suggests that Fritz5.32 with a good book can do even better against Ruffian. Uri
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