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Subject: Re: Tournament Format for World Computer Chess Championship 2004

Author: Drexel,Michael

Date: 04:27:19 03/01/04

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On February 29, 2004 at 23:04:31, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On February 29, 2004 at 22:25:05, Charles Roberson wrote:
>
>>
>>  Hi Omid,
>>
>>   I thank you for having an open mind on this. As for my thoughts.
>>  I don't like A. IMHO, B is better.
>>
>>  It may take more than 7 rounds to decide in 2004. If Rebel, Crafty, TheKing,
>>  Lambchop and Tiger (to name just a few) and/or a few others compete. It will
>>  take more than 7 rounds to decide. The number of rounds to decide depends
>>  on the competition.
>>
>>  My dislike for A is the following: The 5th placed competitor in the 2nd
>>  group may be stronger than one or more of the top 4 in the first group.
>>  Thus format A introduces a considerable amount of luck. IMHO that would not
>>  be good.
>>
>>   Again, thanks to all for an open mind.
>
>I completely agree with you. Add to that, that if i would be kicked out after 5
>rounds, that i'm not going to play another 6 rounds whatever happens. You play
>for a title. When you're out, you're out and leave. I do not know a knockout
>tournament where when you get kicked out, you continue to play on.

Bad Aibling, Germany

>
>So 11 rounds swiss is much better, simply because you get all strong
>participants as an opponent.
>
>If the winner is clear after 9 rounds, that is not an argument to explain that a
>knockout tournament is better.
>
>If they end equal, there is still a knockout between the first 2 programs.
>If they do not end equal there is a clear winner. End of discussion in both
>cases.
>
>The world champs is there to allow everyone to have a shot at the commercials
>and to feel their power and to let them show how strong they are. If they all
>are so dead nervous again like they were against me in 2003, then i sure feel
>that that world champs 2003 wasn't clear until the last playoff game and that
>what was posted here by some is a complete nonsense.
>
>In a knockout you get 3 opponents to decide whether you are world champion, and
>half of the games you still must play 2 blitz games to decide which program
>moves on till the next round. In a 11 round swiss you get 11 opponents to decide
>whether you are worth your world title.
>
>So you see. Someone who played black 4 times against 4 commercial programs in
>world champs 2003, even such a guy prefers a 11 round swiss over a 3 round
>knockout where the unlucky guys (usual 'amateurs') are kicked out simply and
>feel for another 6 rounds they came there for nothing.
>
>In case the final decision is that a 3 round knockout tournament gets held
>instead of a 11 round swiss and i happen to show up there (unlikely in case of a
>3 round world champs), i'll only show up there only in the sure knowledge that
>i'll leave if i am kicked out for that race. Tieing for 9th spot, no thanks.



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