Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 07:46:32 03/01/04
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On March 01, 2004 at 04:36:28, Geert van der Wulp wrote: The SSDF is a paid list which does not publish all the games they play. I do not say that they deliberately influence results, but we cannot check it. Just one SSDF tester seems to publish all games he played and is therefore a transparant tester. To get on the SSDF list within 1 list, the only way to garantuee that is by paying them 2 machines. That would make the entry fee for the world champs a lot higher. So please remove all ideas that link SSDF to ICGA. They are 2 independant organisations and i feel they should keep like that. >On March 01, 2004 at 03:36:11, Gerd Isenberg wrote: > >>On February 29, 2004 at 21:49:41, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >> >>>The tournament format for WCCC that was originally decided was: >>> >>>-------- >>>http://www.cs.unimaas.nl/icga/news/events/Israel/event.html >>> >>>The format for the 12th World Computer Chess Championship WCCC2004 will be: >>>5-round Swiss, after which the top 4 + 4 teams get to play a 2-round elimination >>>at each stage, and the bottom teams continue to compete for the 9th spot playing >>>a 6-round Swiss. >>>-------- >>> >>>However, since a large number of amateur programmers expressed their disapproval >>>of this system, we have decided to change the format so that it will attract the >>>largest number of programmers. Currently the two options are: >>> >>>A) Like the original format, but with re-entry: >>> >>>Divide the participants into two groups. Conduct 5 rounds Swiss, and top 4 from >>>each group (total of 8) will qualify for next stage, which will be a knockout (2 >>>rounds quarter-final, 2 rounds semi-final, 2 rounds final). The other programs >>>will continue with 6 more Swiss rounds. However, the *difference* is: the losers >>>in the knockout will join the other programs (who haven't qualified for knockout >>>phase) in continuing with additional Swiss rounds (with all the points they >>>scored in the first 5 rounds and in the knockout phase). >>> >>>The advantage of this method over the original one is that the amateurs will get >>>more chances of playing against commercial programs after the first 5 rounds. >>> >>>B) 11 rounds Swiss. >>> >>>In Graz WCCC everything was basically over after 7 rounds. The last 4 rounds >>>didn't change anything at all. That is the reason why we are trying to choose a >>>more exciting format. >>> >>>However, our primary goal is maximizing participation. So, if 11 rounds Swiss >>>will attract the largest number of participants, then we will opt for it. >>> >>> >>>We are interested in hearing your opinion, especially the opinion of programmers >>>who are considering participation in WCCC. >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Omid David Tabibi (davoudo@cs.biu.ac.il), >>>Bar-Ilan University. >> >>Hi Omid, >> >>I prefere option B) but i see the problem with 11 rounds if the number of >>participants if rather less, let say <= 16. Therefore my suggestion is to play 9 >>rounds only, which is also fine for 17..32 participants. >> >>Regards, >>Gerd > >Hello to all, > >Why will it not be a single or double all-play-all tournament? The (large?) >disadvantage is that if you want the tournament to be open for all programmers, >then it will be unclear how many rounds the tournament will have. > >On the other hand I believe that it is more fair (certainly a double >all-play-all tournament) than a Swiss Tournament in which one always has a >certain factor of pairing luck. In my opinion the double all-play-all will be >best. > >Maybe there is a way to limit the number of contestants. For example by allowing >a maximum of 12 or 15 participants only. The teams that want to compete will be >put on a list and only the highest 8 or 10 on the SSDF list are directly in the >main tournament. The others will play a preliminary tournament. > >Of course there are 2 other disadvantages to this system: >1) It will cost more money. >2) Strong programs that are not yet on the SSDF list, such as Shredder 8 would >not be placed directly. One can of course say that this is no problem because >the program will have to place itself via the preliminary tournament. But I >believe that this is not fair towards the others in the preliminary tournament. >They get a much stronger opponent than they "deserve". > >Maybe anyone has thoughts about this (or objections against it? :-)) > >Regards, > >Geert
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