Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 10:02:49 03/01/04
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On March 01, 2004 at 10:56:02, Uri Blass wrote:
>On March 01, 2004 at 10:42:28, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>
>>On March 01, 2004 at 10:27:54, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On March 01, 2004 at 10:19:53, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>
>>>>Arena tournament
>>>>
>>>>Rank Engine Score Ba Mo S-B
>>>>1 Movei00_8_174 17.0/30 · · · · 0011=1=110=1101110010010110===. 221.00
>>>>2 Baron 1.2.0 13.0/30 1100=0=001=0010001101101001===· 221.00
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>30 games played / Tournament finished
>>>>Tournament start: 2004.02.29, 20:16:36
>>>>Latest update: 2004.03.01, 04:41:01
>>>>Site/ Country: S0025128408, United States
>>>>Level: Blitz 10/0
>>>>Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz
>>>>Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Build 2195
>>>>PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
>>>>Table created with: Arena 1.03
>>>
>>>It seems that movei did not use book in these games and only played the first
>>>move from its internal book that is not in an external file.
>>>
>>>There are 2 book files that should be used with movei if you want it to use
>>>book.
>>>
>>>Not that I complain(people can test movei as they want) and I am not sure if
>>>movei could do better with it's small books.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Movei does probably much worse with this "book".
>>It shouldn't play 1.e4 without huge book because it does not know how to play a
>>sicilian or french defence at all.
>>
>>Michael
>
>Note that with default setting after losing one game with 1.e4 movei learns to
>play 1.d4 and it learns again to play 1.e4 after losing a game with 1.d4
>
>I have games from my beta testers when movei won with 1.e4 both against sicilian
>and french(note that I still did not look at the games and maybe the opponents
>also do not know how to play against movei's mistakes)
>
>I am not sure if movei's book was exactly the same as the public book in these
>games but I am quite sure that my beta tester did not use a huge book.
1.e4 e6 2.d4 c5 is not a French defence.
It is a Franco Benoni or something like that.
This is a French Defense:
[Event "ATHLONXP, Blitz:5'+3""]
[Site "ATHLONXP"]
[Date "2004.02.29"]
[Round "8"]
[White "movei00_8_174"]
[Black "Hiarcs 9"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C11"]
[Annotator "0.17;0.12"]
[PlyCount "104"]
[TimeControl "300+3"]
{W=9.6 ply; 358kN/s B=10.5 ply; 193kN/s} 1. d4 {0.01/1 0} d5 {0} 2. Nc3 {
0.01/1 0} e6 {0} 3. e4 {0.17/10 20} Nf6 {0} 4. e5 {0.30/9 6} Nfd7 {0} 5. Nf3 {
0.43/10 20} c5 {0} 6. Be3 {0.25/10 31} Nc6 {0} 7. Bb5 {0.41/10 9} cxd4 {0} 8.
Bxd4 {0.26/10 11} Qc7 {(a6) 0.12/10 19} 9. O-O {-0.06/9 7} a6 {-0.33/10 7} 10.
Bxc6 {-0.46/10 7} bxc6 {-0.14/11 12} 11. Be3 {(Sa4) -0.47/10 10} Nxe5 {
-0.73/10 14} 12. Nxe5 {-0.49/9 6} Qxe5 {-0.73/10 9} 13. Bd4 {-0.61/10 24} Qf4 {
(Dg5) -0.84/10 11} 14. Re1 {(Se2) -0.48/9 17} Bd6 {(f6) -1.17/10 9} 15. g3 {
-0.72/10 9} Qg5 {-1.30/10 11} 16. h4 {-0.72/8 3} Qf5 {(Dg6) -1.48/10 11} 17.
Bxg7 {(Dd3) -1.00/8 4} Rg8 {-2.11/10 10} 18. Qd4 {-1.90/10 13} c5 {-2.11/9 6}
19. Qf6 {(Dxd5) -1.87/10 9} Qg4 {-1.49/9 8} 20. Nxd5 {-2.09/9 12} Bb7 {
-1.66/9 10} 21. Qxe6+ {-2.03/9 14} fxe6 {(Dxe6) -1.77/11 6} 22. Nf6+ {
-1.78/11 10} Ke7 {-1.73/12 9} 23. Nxg4 {-1.80/11 18} Rxg7 {-1.85/12 10} 24. Ne3
{-1.74/10 6} Rf8 {-1.88/11 9} 25. Rad1 {-1.85/8 4} Bc7 {(Le5) -1.88/10 9} 26.
c3 {(Td3) -1.63/8 5} Rf4 {(Tgf7) -1.98/9 9} 27. Re2 {-2.08/7 2} Kf8 {
(Kf6) -1.96/9 9} 28. Ng2 {-1.82/10 12} Rf6 {-1.91/10 13} 29. Rde1 {-1.72/9 7}
Bd5 {(e5) -1.95/10 10} 30. Ne3 {(b3) -1.71/9 3} Bxa2 {(Lf3) -1.86/11 9} 31. Ra1
{-1.71/10 4} Bd5 {-1.93/11 7} 32. Rxa6 {-1.71/10 5} Bf3 {(Lb7) -1.91/10 7} 33.
Re1 {-1.66/9 6} Rd7 {(Tgf7) -1.84/9 12} 34. Nc4 {-1.63/9 15} Bb7 {
(Tdf7) -1.92/9 4} 35. Ra7 {-1.67/9 5} Bc6 {-1.96/9 7} 36. Ra6 {-1.57/10 20} Bb5
{-2.38/10 4} 37. Ra8+ {-1.90/10 9} Kg7 {-2.25/11 10} 38. Na3 {(b3) -1.90/9 5}
Bc6 {-2.59/10 7} 39. Ra7 {-1.79/8 2} Kg8 {(Kh8) -2.63/10 4} 40. Rf1 {-1.92/8 2}
Rg6 {-2.72/10 8} 41. Ra6 {-2.14/10 7} Bb7 {-2.92/10 6} 42. Ra4 {-1.90/9 5} Rd2
{(Td3) -3.06/10 6} 43. Rb1 {-2.58/10 15} Bxg3 {(Lc6) -6.13/11 13} 44. fxg3 {
-2.29/9 3} Rxg3+ {-6.38/11 6} 45. Kf1 {0.01/1 0} Bf3 {-7.20/9 3} 46. Nc4 {
-5.50/8 2} Rh2 {-7.06/10 8} 47. Ne5 {-5.95/8 4} Be2+ {-7.31/10 6} 48. Ke1 {
0.01/1 0} Rg1+ {-7.40/9 5} 49. Kd2 {0.01/1 0} Rxb1 {-7.45/10 5} 50. Kc2 {
-6.73/7 3} Rf1 {(Tg1) -7.62/10 5} 51. Ra8+ {-7.03/8 5} Kg7 {-7.62/11 5} 52. Kb3
{-6.96/7 3} Rxh4 {-7.97/9 3} 0-1
As you can see the game was decided in favour of black after a few moves.
Here is one of the many sicilian opening desasters from Movei against Hiarcs:
[Event "ATHLONXP, Blitz:5'+3""]
[Site "ATHLONXP"]
[Date "2004.02.29"]
[Round "7"]
[White "movei00_8_174"]
[Black "Hiarcs 9"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B62"]
[Annotator "0.53;0.45"]
[PlyCount "74"]
[TimeControl "300+3"]
{W=9.9 ply; 339kN/s B=9.9 ply; 144kN/s} 1. e4 {0.01/1 0} c5 {0} 2. Nf3 {
0.01/1 0} d6 {0} 3. d4 {0.01/1 0} Nf6 {0} 4. Nc3 {0.01/1 0} cxd4 {0} 5. Nxd4 {
0.01/1 0} Nc6 {0} 6. Bg5 {0.53/9 10} e6 {0} 7. Be2 {0.72/9 16} Be7 {0} 8. O-O {
0.60/9 11} O-O {(Sxd4) 0.45/9 11} 9. Re1 {(Le3) 0.34/9 8} Qb6 {(Sxd4) 0.37/9 11
} 10. Nxc6 {(Sb3) 0.41/9 9} bxc6 {0.31/9 7} 11. Qc1 {(Tb1) 0.22/9 13} c5 {
(e5) 0.22/9 18} 12. a4 {(Tb1) 0.36/9 14} Rb8 {(Ld7) 0.02/9 8} 13. Ra2 {
(Tb1) 0.24/9 12} h6 {-0.05/10 16} 14. Bd2 {0.22/10 23} a5 {(Ld7) -0.05/10 12}
15. Qd1 {(f3) 0.31/10 8} Bb7 {(e5) -0.02/10 15} 16. Bc4 {(Lb5) 0.36/10 11} Nxe4
{(d5) -0.36/10 9} 17. Nxe4 {0.44/11 10} d5 {-0.33/10 5} 18. Qg4 {
(Lf4) 0.48/10 15} f5 {(dxe4) -0.55/9 7} 19. Qg6 {(Dg3) 0.64/10 8} fxe4 {
-0.34/10 17} 20. Bxh6 {0.52/10 13} Bf6 {(Tf7) -0.63/10 10} 21. Bb5 {0.43/9 8}
Be5 {(Ld4) -0.56/9 15} 22. g3 {(Te3) 0.48/8 9} c4 {-0.91/8 9} 23. Re2 {
(Tf1) 0.19/9 11} Bd4 {(Txf2) -1.25/8 5} 24. c3 {(Kg2) 1.06/10 7} Bf6 {
(Le5) -0.49/10 11} 25. Bf4 {0.87/10 10} Rbc8 {-0.55/9 5} 26. Bd7 {
(h4) 0.89/10 10} Rcd8 {-0.67/10 6} 27. Be3 {(Lb5) 0.39/11 7} d4 {
(Dd6) -1.13/10 5} 28. Bxd4 {-0.05/11 8} Qd6 {-1.27/10 5} 29. Bb5 {-0.05/9 3}
Qd5 {-1.37/10 9} 30. Re3 {-0.95/9 6} Bxd4 {-2.39/10 8} 31. cxd4 {-0.96/10 4} e5
{(c3) -2.63/10 8} 32. b3 {(Dh5) -0.73/8 7} cxb3 {-2.89/9 8} 33. Rd2 {
(Tb2) -3.29/9 8} exd4 {-4.59/9 8} 34. f3 {(Db6) -3.39/8 4} dxe3 {(b2) -6.89/8 5
} 35. Rxd5 {-8.53/10 10} Bxd5 {-9.50/10 7} 36. fxe4 {-8.53/9 7} Bf7 {
-11.12/10 6} 37. Qb6 {(Dc6) -10.28/10 8} b2 {-11.48/10 4} 0-1
Chances against strong programs should be better after 1.d4 (maybe not followed
by 2.c4) or with a huge opening book from a cleaned PGN file.
[Event "ATHLONXP, Blitz:5'+3""]
[Site "ATHLONXP"]
[Date "2004.02.29"]
[Round "11"]
[White "movei00_8_174"]
[Black "Hiarcs 9"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D00"]
[Annotator "0.26;1.26"]
[PlyCount "133"]
[TimeControl "300+3"]
{W=10.5 ply; 343kN/s B=10.6 ply; 159kN/s} 1. d4 {0.01/1 0} d5 {0} 2. Bf4 {
0.01/1 0} Nf6 {0} 3. e3 {0.01/1 0} c5 {0} 4. dxc5 {0.26/9 15} e6 {0} 5. b4 {
0.45/9 10} a5 {0} 6. c3 {0.53/9 9} axb4 {0} 7. cxb4 {0.80/10 12} b6 {0} 8. Bxb8
{1.20/10 12} Rxb8 {1.26/10 10} 9. Bb5+ {1.32/10 6} Ke7 {1.34/11 18} 10. c6 {
1.41/11 21} d4 {(e5) 1.25/10 8} 11. exd4 {(Da4) 1.61/10 10} Qd5 {1.34/10 11}
12. Nc3 {1.70/11 11} Qxg2 {1.45/10 9} 13. Qf3 {1.78/11 29} Qxf3 {
(Dg4) 1.45/10 8} 14. Nxf3 {1.70/10 4} Kd8 {(Ta8) 1.28/10 6} 15. a3 {
(Se5) 1.71/11 15} Bd6 {(Ta8) 1.23/10 6} 16. Ne5 {(0-0) 1.84/10 8} Ke7 {
(Tf8) 1.23/10 9} 17. Be2 {(Tg1) 2.07/9 4} Ne8 {(Kf8) 1.39/10 17} 18. b5 {
(0-0) 2.01/10 23} Ra8 {1.16/10 14} 19. Nc4 {(0-0) 2.07/9 4} Bc7 {1.09/10 9} 20.
Ne4 {(0-0) 2.00/9 6} Nf6 {(Tf8) 0.85/10 9} 21. Nxf6 {2.02/10 4} Kxf6 {
(gxf6) 0.74/11 5} 22. O-O-O {1.97/10 8} Rd8 {0.73/11 9} 23. Kb2 {1.86/10 14}
Rd5 {(Ke7) 0.85/11 12} 24. Ne3 {1.87/11 9} Rd8 {1.02/11 11} 25. Rhg1 {
(Kb3) 1.83/8 4} Ra4 {(g6) 0.84/9 10} 26. Nc4 {1.98/9 5} Rd5 {(g6) 1.06/10 7}
27. Kb3 {2.31/10 5} Ra7 {1.16/11 10} 28. Ne3 {1.85/9 5} Rd8 {1.20/11 10} 29. f4
{(h4) 1.76/8 5} g6 {0.93/9 8} 30. Nc4 {(Tgf1) 1.77/10 8} Rd5 {(Kg7) 1.02/10 11}
31. a4 {1.75/10 10} Kg7 {1.17/10 13} 32. Rgf1 {1.82/10 8} Ra8 {(Kg8) 1.10/10 7}
33. Bf3 {(Se3) 1.82/10 6} Rf5 {(Td8) 1.13/10 5} 34. Bg4 {1.73/10 6} Rf6 {
(Td5) 1.23/12 19} 35. Ra1 {(Se5) 2.13/11 9} Kf8 {(h6) 1.16/10 8} 36. Kb2 {
(h4) 2.14/10 5} Ke7 {(Ke8) 1.10/10 8} 37. h4 {(Kc3) 2.14/9 3} Rb8 {
(Kd8) 1.19/10 8} 38. Ne5 {2.23/10 5} Bd6 {(Kd8) 1.34/12 16} 39. Kb1 {
(Kc2) 2.23/9 5} Ra8 {1.35/11 8} 40. Ra2 {(Kc2) 2.18/10 5} h6 {(Ta7) 1.12/10 8}
41. Rf3 {(Kc2) 2.28/9 4} Ke8 {1.20/10 10} 42. Bh3 {(Kc2) 2.28/10 5} Bc7 {
(Kf8) 1.20/10 8} 43. Rf1 {(Kc2) 2.26/11 11} Ke7 {(Kf8) 1.14/10 5} 44. Rff2 {
(Kc2) 2.33/10 5} Kf8 {(Ke8) 1.05/10 8} 45. Bg2 {(Kc1) 2.33/11 6} Rf5 {0.66/9 2}
46. Rf1 {(Le4) 1.85/11 18} Rh5 {(Ta7) 0.67/11 9} 47. Rh1 {(Le4) 2.15/10 4} Rf5
{0.63/10 4} 48. Nd3 {1.74/10 4} Ke7 {(Lxf4) 0.76/11 7} 49. Be4 {2.06/10 7} Rf6
{(Txf4) 1.23/12 9} 50. h5 {2.05/11 8} gxh5 {1.26/11 4} 51. Rh4 {2.04/10 3} Ra7
{1.31/10 5} 52. Ra1 {(Kc2) 2.09/10 4} Ra5 {(Kf8) 1.31/10 5} 53. Kb2 {
(Kc2) 2.15/11 6} Bd6 {1.33/10 6} 54. Kb3 {2.24/11 5} Bc7 {(Ta7) 1.44/9 2} 55.
Rb1 {(Tah1) 2.30/9 2} Ra7 {1.36/9 3} 56. Rg1 {2.48/12 9} Kf8 {1.48/9 4} 57. Bh7
{(Se5) 2.63/12 6} Ra8 {2.23/11 6} 58. Rg8+ {2.63/11 3} Ke7 {2.23/5 0} 59. Ne5 {
(Le4) 2.86/11 5} Rb8 {2.23/11 4} 60. Be4 {2.92/11 4} Bd8 {(Ld6) 2.23/10 3} 61.
Bf3 {(Kc4) 3.63/11 6} Bc7 {3.62/12 6} 62. Bxh5 {3.58/11 3} Bd6 {
(Ta8) 4.01/12 25} 63. Rg7 {4.47/11 5} Kf8 {5.88/11 11} 64. Rhg4 {4.48/10 3} Bc7
{(Lxe5) 7.86/11 10} 65. Rh7 {7.12/10 3} Ke7 {(Lxe5) 8.58/9 4} 66. Nxf7 {
8.32/10 7} e5 {8.77/8 2} 67. Nxh6+ {(Sxe5+) 8.32/8 4} 1-0
1.d4,2.c4 is risky without a big book:
[Event "ATHLONXP, Blitz:5'+3""]
[Site "ATHLONXP"]
[Date "2004.02.29"]
[Round "3"]
[White "movei00_8_174"]
[Black "Hiarcs 9"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "E90"]
[Annotator "0.43;0.58"]
[PlyCount "74"]
[TimeControl "300+3"]
{W=10.4 ply; 345kN/s B=10.8 ply; 171kN/s; 6 TBAs} 1. d4 {0.01/1 0} Nf6 {0} 2.
c4 {0.01/1 0} c5 {0} 3. d5 {0.01/1 0} g6 {0} 4. Nc3 {0.43/10 10} Bg7 {0} 5. Nf3
{0.53/10 18} O-O {0} 6. Bf4 {0.56/10 19} d6 {0} 7. e4 {0.52/10 14} a6 {0} 8.
Be2 {0.84/10 9} b5 {(Lg4) 0.58/10 25} 9. cxb5 {(Dc2) 0.90/10 9} axb5 {0.49/10 9
} 10. Bxb5 {0.70/10 9} Nxe4 {0.38/10 12} 11. Nxe4 {0.19/10 14} Qa5+ {0.05/10 10
} 12. Nc3 {0.08/10 8} Bxc3+ {-0.14/10 5} 13. bxc3 {-0.18/10 9} Qxb5 {-0.14/10 9
} 14. Nd2 {-0.18/9 13} Qd3 {(Db2) -0.09/10 13} 15. Qf3 {0.06/9 6} Qxf3 {
(Lf5) -0.55/11 11} 16. Nxf3 {-0.26/11 12} Nd7 {(Lb7) -0.61/11 11} 17. O-O {
-0.43/11 20} Ba6 {(Sb6) -0.94/11 10} 18. Rfe1 {(Tfd1) -0.42/10 5} Rfe8 {
-1.09/10 5} 19. Nd2 {-0.71/10 8} Nb6 {-1.20/12 10} 20. Bh6 {-0.92/10 4} c4 {
(Sxd5) -1.19/11 11} 21. Rab1 {(a4) -0.77/11 8} Nxd5 {-1.25/12 10} 22. Rec1 {
-1.07/11 10} Bc8 {(f5) -1.26/11 9} 23. Nxc4 {-0.96/11 11} Rxa2 {-1.24/10 7} 24.
Rb8 {(Tb2) -0.93/10 9} f6 {(Ld7) -1.31/10 6} 25. h3 {(Te1) -1.07/9 7} g5 {
(Ld7) -1.78/10 6} 26. Re1 {-1.14/10 6} Rd8 {-1.84/10 9} 27. Nb2 {(h4) -0.99/8 3
} Kf7 {(e5) -1.91/10 7} 28. Nd3 {(h4) -2.44/10 8} Rc2 {(Kg6) -2.80/10 9} 29.
Rb5 {-2.26/9 8} e6 {(Sxc3) -3.99/10 8} 30. f4 {(h4) -3.53/10 14} Rxc3 {
-4.30/10 8} 31. Nb2 {(fxg5) -4.35/9 7} Nxf4 {-5.53/9 5} 32. Nd1 {(h4) -4.81/9 7
} Ra3 {(Tc5) -6.10/10 8} 33. h4 {-5.18/9 5} Ba6 {-6.23/10 8} 34. Rxg5 {
(Lxg5) -5.36/10 6} fxg5 {-7.16/10 5} 35. Bxg5 {-6.92/11 16} Ne2+ {-7.21/11 8}
36. Kf2 {(Kh2) -6.93/11 9} Rc8 {-8.03/10 6} 37. Rxe2 {-7.17/11 16} Bxe2 {
-9.22/12 8} 0-1
Michael
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