Author: Peter Berger
Date: 15:14:21 03/01/04
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On March 01, 2004 at 16:03:42, Dieter Buerssner wrote:
>On February 29, 2004 at 20:34:38, Peter Berger wrote:
>
>>On February 29, 2004 at 20:05:08, Dieter Buerssner wrote:
>>
>>>On February 29, 2004 at 18:03:20, Peter Berger wrote:
>>>
>>>>[Event "Blitz:45'+10"]
>>>>[Site "Berlin"]
>>>>[Date "2004.02.27"]
>>>>[Round "3"]
>>>>[White "Postmodernist 1.010"]
>>>>[Black "Junior 8"]
>>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>>[ECO "C47"]
>>>>[Annotator "PIV1.8-PIV3.2HT"]
>>>>[PlyCount "138"]
>>>>[EventDate "2004.??.??"]
>>>>[TimeControl "2700+10"]
>>>>
>>>>{288MB, Junior8.ctg, P418} 1. e4 {0} e5 {0} 2. Nf3 {4} Nc6 {0} 3. Nc3 {(Lb5) 2}
>>>>Nf6 {1} 4. d4 {3} exd4 {0} 5. Nxd4 {3} Bb4 {0} 6. Nxc6 {3} bxc6 {0} 7. Bd3 {4}
>>>>d5 {0} 8. exd5 {4} cxd5 {0} 9. O-O {4} O-O {0} 10. Bg5 {4} c6 {0} 11. Qf3 {
>>>>(Sa4) 4} Be7 {0} 12. Rae1 {(Tfe1) 5} Re8 {0} 13. Nd1 {(Lf4) 4} Bg4 {-0.34/15 58
>>>>} 14. Qf4 {173} Be6 {-0.30/16 104} 15. Qg3 {(Da4) 44} Rb8 {-0.49/15 79} 16. a3
>>>>{(f4) 53} c5 {-0.83/16 144} 17. Bh6 {(h3) 144} Bf8 {-0.96/17 220} 18. c3 {
>>>>(b3) 5} Nh5 {-0.99/16 110} 19. Qf3 {(De5) 5} gxh6 {-0.98/16 111} 20. Qxh5 {111}
>>>>c4 {-1.03/18 1} 21. Bc2 {106} Qg5 {-1.00/18 18} 22. Re5 {77} Qxh5 {-0.93/17 1}
>>>>23. Rxh5 {91} Kg7 {-0.92/18 1} 24. Bf5 {98} Bd6 {-0.77/18 1} 25. g3 {86} a5 {
>>>>-0.64/17 1} 26. Kg2 {(Lxe6) 92} a4 {-0.43/17 109} 27. f4 {(Lxe6) 89} Rb5 {
>>>>-0.28/16 47} 28. Bxe6 {31} Rxe6 {-0.44/16 20} 29. Rf2 {(Kf3) 56} Kg6 {
>>>>-0.16/16 60} 30. g4 {15} Re4 {0.12/16 45} 31. Kg3 {(Tf5) 84} f6 {-0.04/16 77}
>>>>32. h3 {(Tf5) 4} Bb8 {-0.19/16 77} 33. Rf5 {4} Bc7 {0.00/16 43} 34. Rh2 {
>>>>(Kf3) 82} h5 {0.00/17 78} 35. Kf3 {79} Bb6 {0.00/18 6} 36. Rh1 {(Td2) 77} h4 {
>>>>-0.20/16 33} 37. Rf1 {(Th5) 33} h6 {-0.20/17 33} 38. Rh1 {(Th5) 73} Kf7 {
>>>>-0.20/17 37} 39. Rh2 {(Th5) 118} Re1 {-0.67/16 40} 40. Rd2 {19} Rh1 {
>>>>-0.69/16 14} 41. Kg2 {45} Rg1+ {-0.83/17 1} 42. Kh2 {57} Rg3 {-0.76/17 3} 43.
>>>>Nf2 {(Tfxd5) 55} Be3 {-0.90/16 67} 44. Re2 {4} Bc1 {-0.96/15 26} 45. Ne4 {270}
>>>>Re3 {-0.65/19 1} 46. Rxe3 {37} Rxb2+ {-0.65/19 1} 47. Kh1 {46} Bxe3 {
>>>>-0.95/18 49} 48. Nxf6 {4} d4 {-0.95/18 244} 49. Nd5+ {(Se4+) 4} Kg7 {
>>>>-1.00/17 32} 50. cxd4 {(Sxe3) 4} Bxd4 {-1.55/16 38} 51. Nc7 {7} Re2 {
>>>>-1.36/16 57} 52. Rd5 {5} Bb2 {-1.58/15 35} 53. Rd7+ {9} Kf8 {-1.83/17 48} 54.
>>>>Rd8+ {4} Kf7 {-1.53/18 37} 55. Rd7+ {8} Re7 {-1.83/18 2} 56. Rxe7+ {43} Kxe7 {
>>>>-2.39/20 1} 57. Nd5+ {46} Ke6 {-2.27/22 1} 58. Ne3 {50} Bxa3 {-2.27/21 1} 59.
>>>>f5+ {(Sxc4) 49} Kf6 {-2.55/21 29} 60. Nxc4 {13} Bc5 {-2.83/22 11} 61. Kh2 {
>>>>(Kg2) 174} a3 {-3.05/22 21} 62. Nxa3 {10} Bxa3 {-3.06/25 21} 63. Kg2 {15} Bc5 {
>>>>-4.09/30 7} 64. Kf3 {176} Ke5 {-4.11/35 1} 65. f6 {(Kg2) 100} Kxf6 {-4.16/28 23
>>>>} 66. Kf4 {(Ke4) 118} Bb6 {-5.96/33 16} 67. Ke4 {76} Ke6 {-6.26/36 1} 68. Kf4 {
>>>>(Kd3) 18} Kd5 {-6.26/32 36} 69. Kf3 {(g5) 38} Ke5 {-8.11/29 20} 0-1
>
>>This may be correct, but it's only one half of the answer IMHO. I wonder if
>>black couldn't have won if it had been aware of the danger - for example I
>>wonder about 58. ..Bxa3 ?! in the diagram position - this is the part I am
>>really completely unsure about.
>
>To me, it seems, black could have won even later by 61...h5. I did not study all
>variations (yet). A sample game vs Shredder 6 at 40 moves in 2 h:
>
>[D] 8/8/5k1p/2b2P2/p1N3Pp/7P/7K/8 b - -
>
>
>[Event "120'/40"]
>[Site "Konstanz"]
>[Date "2004.03.01"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Shredder 6"]
>[Black "Bürßner, Dieter + Yace"]
>[Result "0-1"]
>[Annotator "Bürßner,Dieter"]
>[SetUp "1"]
>[FEN "8/8/5k1p/2b2P2/p1N3Pp/7P/7K/8 b - - 0 1"]
>[PlyCount "63"]
>[TimeControl "40/7200:0/0:0/0"]
>
>1... h5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 2. Kg2 {[%eval -203,19] [%emt 0:03:46]} hxg4 {
>(Kg5) [%emt 0:02:30]} 3. hxg4 {[%eval -172,20] [%emt 0:06:47]} Kg5 {
>[%emt 0:00:18]} 4. Kh3 {[%eval -145,18] [%emt 0:03:15]} Bf2 {
>(Be7) [%emt 0:00:00]} 5. Na3 {[%eval -156,18] [%emt 0:02:54]} Bg3 {
>(Bd4) [%emt 0:00:40]} 6. Nc4 {[%eval -163,20] [%emt 0:04:20]} Bf2 {
>(Be1) [%emt 0:04:52]} 7. Na3 {[%eval -165,19] [%emt 0:04:31]} Bd4 {
>(Be1) [%emt 0:00:05]} 8. Nc2 {[%eval -166,21] [%emt 0:06:55]} Bf6 {
>(Bb2) [%emt 0:00:03]} 9. Na3 {[%eval -352,20] [%emt 0:21:18]} Kf4 {
>[%emt 0:00:24]} 10. Nb5 {[%eval -353,19] [%emt 0:02:52]} Be7 {[%emt 0:00:04]}
>11. f6 {[%eval -426,18] [%emt 0:08:37]} Bxf6 {[%emt 0:00:04]} 12. Na3 {
>[%eval -683,18] [%emt 0:06:23]} Bb2 {(Ke3) [%emt 0:00:05]} 13. Nc4 {
>[%eval -678,19] [%emt 0:03:57]} Ke4 {(Kg5) [%emt 0:00:05]} 14. g5 {
>[%eval -872,18] [%emt 0:05:27]} Kd4 {[%emt 0:00:04]} 15. Nd6 {
>[%eval -895,17] [%emt 0:04:21]} Kc5 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 16. Ne4+ {
>[%eval -969,16] [%emt 0:01:51]} Kb4 {[%emt 0:00:04]} 17. g6 {
>[%eval -968,13] [%emt 0:02:13]} a3 {[%emt 0:00:21]} 18. Nf2 {
>[%eval -1510,15] [%emt 0:04:43]} a2 {[%emt 0:01:04]} 19. Nd3+ {
>[%eval -1618,15] [%emt 0:03:20]} Kb5 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 20. Kg4 {
>[%eval -1984,14] [%emt 0:03:42]} a1=Q {[%emt 0:00:19]} 21. Nf4 {
>[%eval -32752,11] [%emt 0:02:55]} h3 {(Qg1+) [%emt 0:00:06]} 22. g7 {
>[%eval -32756,9] [%emt 0:00:53]} Bxg7 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 23. Nxh3 {
>[%eval -32757,99] [%emt 0:00:00]} Qd4+ {(Qc3) [%emt 0:00:25]} 24. Kg3 {
>[%eval -32757,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} Qd3+ {(Ka4) [%emt 0:00:20]} 25. Kg4 {
>[%eval -32759,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} Qe4+ {[%emt 0:00:15]} 26. Kg3 {
>[%eval -32760,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} Bf6 {(Be5+) [%emt 0:00:19]} 27. Kf2 {
>[%eval -32761,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} Bh4+ {(Bd4+) [%emt 0:00:16]} 28. Kg1 {
>[%eval -32761,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} Qe2 {(Qf3) [%emt 0:00:13]} 29. Kh1 {
>[%eval -32763,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} Bg3 {(Qf3+) [%emt 0:00:27]} 30. Kg1 {
>[%eval -32763,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} Qh2+ {(Ka4) [%emt 0:00:13]} 31. Kf1 {
>[%eval -32764,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} Bh4 {(Ka4) [%emt 0:00:17]} 32. Nf2 {
>[%eval -32766,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} Qxf2# {[%emt 0:00:02]} 0-1
>
>I teased Shredder a bit - In the first 9 moves, I made 8 moves, that where not
>expected by it. I excersized the position a bit, and could make memorized moves
>often. Typically I could move a tempo (the thinking times do not show it always,
>because I phoned at the same time).
>
>Somewhat strange was, that a "coach" popped up around move 20, advincing me,
>that I made some really inverior move (Yace showed mate score at that time ...)
>
>Regards,
>Dieter
That's a great theme IMHO - and good analysis of course. It should be possible
to do a great test position knowing that all commercial programs I tried would
have resigned the game just as Postmodernist even after long analysis, and
wouldn't have been able to win with black before either.
But the real test position to go with it would still have to be created, so as
to have a unique solution.
Regards,
Peter
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