Author: Gerd Isenberg
Date: 23:18:27 03/01/04
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On March 01, 2004 at 18:22:59, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On March 01, 2004 at 15:41:04, Gerd Isenberg wrote: > >>On March 01, 2004 at 10:07:17, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >> >>>On February 29, 2004 at 21:49:41, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>> >>>>The tournament format for WCCC that was originally decided was: >>>> >>>>-------- >>>>http://www.cs.unimaas.nl/icga/news/events/Israel/event.html >>>> >>>>The format for the 12th World Computer Chess Championship WCCC2004 will be: >>>>5-round Swiss, after which the top 4 + 4 teams get to play a 2-round elimination >>>>at each stage, and the bottom teams continue to compete for the 9th spot playing >>>>a 6-round Swiss. >>>>-------- >>>> >>>>However, since a large number of amateur programmers expressed their disapproval >>>>of this system, we have decided to change the format so that it will attract the >>>>largest number of programmers. Currently the two options are: >>>> >>>>A) Like the original format, but with re-entry: >>>> >>>>Divide the participants into two groups. Conduct 5 rounds Swiss, and top 4 from >>>>each group (total of 8) will qualify for next stage, which will be a knockout (2 >>>>rounds quarter-final, 2 rounds semi-final, 2 rounds final). The other programs >>>>will continue with 6 more Swiss rounds. However, the *difference* is: the losers >>>>in the knockout will join the other programs (who haven't qualified for knockout >>>>phase) in continuing with additional Swiss rounds (with all the points they >>>>scored in the first 5 rounds and in the knockout phase). >>>> >>>>The advantage of this method over the original one is that the amateurs will get >>>>more chances of playing against commercial programs after the first 5 rounds. >>>> >>>>B) 11 rounds Swiss. >>>> >>>>In Graz WCCC everything was basically over after 7 rounds. The last 4 rounds >>>>didn't change anything at all. That is the reason why we are trying to choose a >>>>more exciting format. >>>> >>>>However, our primary goal is maximizing participation. So, if 11 rounds Swiss >>>>will attract the largest number of participants, then we will opt for it. >>>> >>>> >>>>We are interested in hearing your opinion, especially the opinion of programmers >>>>who are considering participation in WCCC. >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>> >>>>Omid David Tabibi (davoudo@cs.biu.ac.il), >>>>Bar-Ilan University. >>> >>>The question is not about the number of rounds; that will be 11 in any case (in >>>9 days). The question is how to use those 11 rounds (in such a way that everyone >>>plays exactly 11 rounds). >>> >>>Currently we have two options: >>> >>>A) Original knockout format with re-entry (described above) >>> >>>B) 11 rounds Swiss >>> >>>Which of these two options you prefer, A or B? >> >>If the number of participanst is about 16... >> >>What about following slightly modified B) variation, a kind of "delayed" swiss >>system to keep the tension a bit longer? >> >>For the first (4-6) rounds playing swiss with two about equal strong groups with >>about (even) quantity and quality, eg. >>(1,4,5,8,9,12,13,16)<->(2,3,6,7,10,11,14,15) or similar. >> >>Then reunion both groups and continue with standard swiss, and there are still >>some thrilling rounds to go. > >I would only favour such a system when you can give me written garantuee that i >am NOT in the shredder group. > >I ended divided 5th last 2 years. I fear when Tim Foden is not there, that i for >sure will be placed 5th and end up in the same group like Shredder. > >Shredder is like a sure zero for me. > >Against Fritz with white i can at least at least draw (didn't lose much with >white against fritz last years) so i just need white against fritz. In world >champs 2003 i still got a good position against fritz with black (fritz started >to really do stupid moves) then of course diep decided it was time for madness >and played Nb4?? and was directly lost. Fritz played 2 good moves and it was >game over. > >So i have at least the illusion that i make a chance against Fritz. it's using >simple knowledge but very well debugged. Shredder is different level simply >IMHO. More knowledge, so you can't fool it simply. It just basically makes 1 >mistake and that that it's forward pruning too much. I welcome the day that >shredder searches 30 ply in middlegame :) > >I hope you realize what i mean. Who gets into group A or B? > >I want in group B when Shredder is in A. > >Junior or Fritz in B, i don't care for it. Please do. > >Hydra, please do i fought against fundamentalistic arabs in grammar school i'll >fight 'em again, 1 head or 8 it doesn't matter :) > >From a huge distance i smell that division in groups A and B will be > >A: 1,3,5,7... Shredder, Junior, DIEP, ??? >B: 2,4,6,8... Fritz, Hydra, Falcon, MOVEI > >Being divided 5th last 2 years i fear that will be group A with Shredder. > >Playing 2 times against Shredder in 1 tournament is just too much :) That's not what i mean, you can't play an opponent twice. A "normal" 11-round swiss with some "restictions" during the first rounds to delay some hot matches between favorites in initial disjoint groups. Because the Graz event was basically over after 7 rounds... > >You see i would prefer group B any time of the day. > >>Cheers, >>Gerd
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