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Subject: Re: arasan2 position number 15

Author: Joachim Rang

Date: 10:48:07 03/03/04

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On March 03, 2004 at 13:39:40, John Merlino wrote:

>On March 03, 2004 at 10:38:23, Joachim Rang wrote:
>
>>On March 03, 2004 at 10:14:50, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>I wonder if the solution f6 is correct solution
>>>
>>>[D]r3r1k1/6p1/1pqp2Np/2p1nP1P/N1PbPQ2/1P3PR1/P2K4/7R w - - 0 1
>>>
>>>I could not find a convincing line after f6 Nxc4+ but maybe I miss something.
>>>
>>>Movei could not solve it at 5 minutes per position on A1000 becasue after few
>>>minutes it changed its mind from f6 to Nc3 after failing low at depth 10.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>I think you just discovered an error in this testsuite. Most engines fail low
>>over  and over after:
>>
>>1.f6+ Nxc4+ 2. bxc4 Qxa4 3. f7+ Kh7
>>
>>more (engine)-analysis will follow.
>>
>>regards Joachim
>
>I don't think there is a problem. After forcing those moves, Chessmaster 9000
>(SKR personality on a P4-2.4) still shows a good score for White. I think
>(perhaps inadvertantly) the point is that f6 is the BEST move and that the
>engine shouldn't fail TOO low on f6 Nxc4+...? Not sure....
>
>Perhaps the point is to see that, after the above moves, White must play 4.Rc1
>rather than 4.fxe8=Q which leads to a draw.
>
>I also believe, after a lot of analysis and playing around with lines, that f6
>does not necessarily lead to a forced win. I DO believe that it is the best
>move, however.
>
>Here is what The King says:
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:00	1/4	0.00	11790		4.fxe8=Q Qxa2+ 5.Ke1 Qf2+ 6.Kd1
>					Ra1+ 7.Qc1 Rxc1+ 8.Kxc1 Qe3+ 9.Kd1
>					Qd3+ 10.Ke1 Qe3+ 11.Kd1
>0:00	1/4	2.14	30977		4.Rc1 Bb2 5.Ke2 Bxc1 6.fxe8=Q Qxe8
>					7.Qxc1 Rxa2+ 8.Kf1
>0:00	1/5	0.69	82668		4.Rc1 Qxa2+ 5.Rc2 Qa5+ 6.Kd1 Qa1+
>					7.Qc1 Qxc1+ 8.Rxc1
>0:01	1/6	1.51	215880		4.Rc1 Qxa2+ 5.Rc2 Qa5+ 6.Kd1 Qa1+
>					7.Qc1 Qxc1+ 8.Rxc1 Red8 9.f8=Q
>					Rxf8 10.Nxf8+ Rxf8
>0:02	1/7	0.90	511853		4.Rc1 Qxa2+ 5.Rc2 Qa5+ 6.Ke2 Qa4
>					7.Qd2 Red8 8.f8=Q Rxf8 9.Nxf8+ Rxf8
>0:06	1/8	0.90	1468350		4.Rc1 Qxa2+ 5.Rc2 Qa5+ 6.Ke2 Qa4
>					7.Qd2 Red8 8.f8=Q Rxf8 9.Nxf8+ Rxf8
>0:17	1/9	1.64	3754458		4.Rc1 Qxa2+ 5.Rc2 Qa5+ 6.Ke2 Qa4
>					7.Rc1 Qa2+ 8.Qd2 Qxd2+ 9.Kxd2 Rec8
>					10.f8=Q Rxf8 11.Nxf8+ Rxf8
>0:39	1/10	1.72	9003412		4.Rc1 Qxa2+ 5.Rc2 Qa5+ 6.Ke2 Qa4
>					7.Rc1 Qa2+ 8.Qd2 Qxd2+ 9.Kxd2 Rec8
>					10.f8=N+ Rxf8 11.Nxf8+ Rxf8 12.Kd3
>1:47	1/11	1.70	24869003	4.Rc1 Qxa2+ 5.Rc2 Qa5+ 6.Ke2 Qa4
>					7.Rc1 Rf8 8.Nxf8+ Rxf8 9.Rg2 Qb3
>					10.Kf1 b5
>4:09	1/12	1.74	59144260	4.Rc1 Qxa2+ 5.Rc2 Qa5+ 6.Ke2 Qa4
>					7.Rc1 Red8 8.f8=Q Qa2+ 9.Qd2 Qxd2+
>					10.Kxd2 Rxf8 11.Nxf8+ Rxf8 12.Kd3
>					Be5
>9:22	1/13	1.24	135219441	4.Rc1 Qxa2+ 5.Rc2 Qa5+ 6.Ke2 Qa4
>					7.Rc1 Red8 8.Kf1 Qa2 9.Rg2 Qa3
>					10.Rd1 Qa4 11.Rxd4 Qa1+ 12.Ke2
>					Qxd4 13.f8=Q Rxf8 14.Nxf8+ Kg8
>27:10	2/14	1.42	387147633	4.Rc1 Qxa2+ 5.Rc2 Qa5+ 6.Ke2 Qa4
>					7.Rc1 Rf8 8.Nxf8+ Rxf8 9.Rg6 Qa2+
>					10.Qd2 Qa7 11.Qd3 Qxf7 12.Rb1 Qf4
>					13.Rxb6
>
>jm


go deeper in the variations. For example after 4.Rc1 Qxa2+ 5.Rc2 Qa5+ 6.Ke2 Qa4
7.Rc1 Rf8 8.Nxf8+ Rxf8 9.Rg6
9... Qa7! draws.

What score does CM9SKR shows after Nc3?



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