Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 05:26:45 03/05/04
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On March 05, 2004 at 08:05:18, Uri Blass wrote: >On March 05, 2004 at 07:40:00, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On March 05, 2004 at 04:41:22, Odd Gunnar Malin wrote: >> >>The most important 3 issues are: >> a) you need to pay them to get garantuees *when* a new program gets on the >>list >> b) not all games get published. in fact CURRENTLY, so in 2004, only 1 tester i >>can find who publishes all games he plays. >> >>What does that say about the other testers? >> >>That means that they produce a rating which you cannot verify to be true. >> >> c) All the engines competing in SSDF use interfaces and engine tricks that are >>just too dirty to be true. > >As far as I know yace is not using the fritz interface. > > > For example when loading UCI engines playing fritz8, >>then it will after the first game only get 1MB hashtable for games 2 till the >>end of the match. > >I read about the 1 mbyte problem but I am not sure if your descreption is >correct. It was reported by GCP here, not me. I just quote it. If it would've been not true, of course there would be 100 protests. > >I remember from gcp posts that there are no rules to define when the problem of >1 mbyte happens so it does not happen always from game 2 but >I did not check it so I cannot say something that I sure about. game 2 and further it happens in new interfaces. >> >>Such tricks are too dirty simply. To avoid all these tricks you are working for >>years. So you are not busy with computerchess then. > > >really? > >I do not think a single programmer work for years to avoid these tricks. You really have no idea. Make a book yourself playing other than 1.h3? and make it in your own interface, then we can talk. >It is easy to avoid the 1 mbytes problem by reading the hash size from an ini >file. suppose you put it at 256MB hashtable. SWAP SWAP will your program say. By the way, fritz might not swap. Know why? Took me already 1 week of figuring out how shared memory sometimes works ok for XP kernel. Not to mention avoiding the above problem... Which tester is able to modify a ini file? Near to none of the SSDF persons i am sure of that. > >> >>SSDF should not allow such tricks, which is of course hard when you get paid for >>that... >> >>Right now we cannot verify what happens in the games. Only 1 tester is >>transparant. > >It is not important. It is the most important thing. I claim simply until disproven by facts. >There are enough tournaments when all the games are avalaible(see WBEC) > >I wonder when are you going to play in one tournament when all the participants >get equal hardware. Do Fritz or Shredder or Junior join there? So i can only proof that i'm better than Movei when joining WBEC? >If you do not like winboard then there are enough testers that you can trust who >do not test only winboard programs. >Uri I'm amazed that you are busy with 'trusting' and 'distrusting'. The last person on the planet who i would distrust is Leo Dijksman.
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