Author: Uri Blass
Date: 05:53:02 03/05/04
Go up one level in this thread
On March 05, 2004 at 08:26:45, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On March 05, 2004 at 08:05:18, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On March 05, 2004 at 07:40:00, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On March 05, 2004 at 04:41:22, Odd Gunnar Malin wrote: >>> >>>The most important 3 issues are: >>> a) you need to pay them to get garantuees *when* a new program gets on the >>>list >>> b) not all games get published. in fact CURRENTLY, so in 2004, only 1 tester i >>>can find who publishes all games he plays. >>> >>>What does that say about the other testers? >>> >>>That means that they produce a rating which you cannot verify to be true. >>> >>> c) All the engines competing in SSDF use interfaces and engine tricks that are >>>just too dirty to be true. >> >>As far as I know yace is not using the fritz interface. >> >> >> For example when loading UCI engines playing fritz8, >>>then it will after the first game only get 1MB hashtable for games 2 till the >>>end of the match. >> >>I read about the 1 mbyte problem but I am not sure if your descreption is >>correct. > >It was reported by GCP here, not me. I just quote it. If it would've been not >true, of course there would be 100 protests. > >> >>I remember from gcp posts that there are no rules to define when the problem of >>1 mbyte happens so it does not happen always from game 2 but >>I did not check it so I cannot say something that I sure about. > >game 2 and further it happens in new interfaces. > >>> >>>Such tricks are too dirty simply. To avoid all these tricks you are working for >>>years. So you are not busy with computerchess then. >> >> >>really? >> >>I do not think a single programmer work for years to avoid these tricks. > >You really have no idea. Make a book yourself playing other than 1.h3? and make >it in your own interface, then we can talk. > >>It is easy to avoid the 1 mbytes problem by reading the hash size from an ini >>file. > >suppose you put it at 256MB hashtable. > >SWAP SWAP will your program say. By the way, fritz might not swap. Know why? >Took me already 1 week of figuring out how shared memory sometimes works ok for >XP kernel. Not to mention avoiding the above problem... > >Which tester is able to modify a ini file? > >Near to none of the SSDF persons i am sure of that. I guess that you underestimate the ssdf testers. Every 10 year old child with average IQ can understand how to change an ini file. I do not think that the ssdf testers are more stupid. > >> >>> >>>SSDF should not allow such tricks, which is of course hard when you get paid for >>>that... >>> >>>Right now we cannot verify what happens in the games. Only 1 tester is >>>transparant. >> >>It is not important. > >It is the most important thing. I claim simply until disproven by facts. > >>There are enough tournaments when all the games are avalaible(see WBEC) >> >>I wonder when are you going to play in one tournament when all the participants >>get equal hardware. > >Do Fritz or Shredder or Junior join there? There are commercial programs who join like Deep Sjeng or Ruffian or Rebel or chessmaster. If you prove that you are better than them then people may buy diep. > >So i can only proof that i'm better than Movei when joining WBEC? No You can also prove that you are better than some commercial programs if you are really better than them Uri
This page took 0 seconds to execute
Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700
Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.