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Subject: Re: Fun Rating List including Ruffian 2.1.0

Author: Chessfun

Date: 12:56:30 03/12/04

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On March 12, 2004 at 15:21:47, John Merlino wrote:

>On March 12, 2004 at 15:03:23, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On March 12, 2004 at 15:00:31, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On March 12, 2004 at 14:22:29, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi Sarah
>>>>A fantastic performance of Rufian 2.1.0
>>>>Kurt
>>>
>>>
>>>11 Ruffian 2.1.0         : 2623   62  46   114    53.9 %   2596   37.7 %
>>>17 Ruffian 2.0.0         : 2602   37  56   150    49.0 %   2609   40.7 %
>>>21 Ruffian 1.0.1         : 2583   46  32   220    51.4 %   2573   38.2 %
>>>
>>>statistical error is bigger than the 40 elo
>>>
>>>I think that it is not a fantastic result.
>>>We even cannot be sure based on the result if there was an improvement since
>>>Ruffian1.0.1
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>You could at least concede that it is likely that there is a significant
>>improvement.
>>
>>    Christophe
>
>True enough. But when the difference between the ELOs is smaller than the margin
>of error, it's probably best to conclude nothing.
>
>Please don't get me wrong. Ruffian is a fantastic engine, and with a bit more
>testing and data points could very well be considered "top-tier". But with many
>people reporting/believing that v2 is NO stronger than v1, and the above showing
>only 40 ELO improvement, so far I must say that I am not convinced.

I think I have seen enough to say I am convinced there is improvement. Whether
that is significant (Which I would consider 30+ points) is still debatable. A
few losses in the reminaing games and it could still fall heavily.

And also when I say I have seen enough I don't mean simply these current games.
I include games I've played and watched at playchess and games I played during
the Lokasoft Ruffian 2.0.2 and 2.1.0 beta period.

Sarah.






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