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Subject: Re: BS 2830 Problem #5 is wrong(no proof for it).

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 01:21:19 03/17/04

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On March 16, 2004 at 18:58:46, Dann Corbit wrote:

>See this thread:
>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?354948

First I think that you are wrong when you analyze the original game because the
original game is not relevant and it is obvious that the game is full of
blunders.

The only question is if the first move is correct or wrong.

Rxe6 Qxe6 Re1 is leading to a clear advantage for white and the only question is
if there is better alternative.

Here is some analysis with yace with slow P850
I analyzed leafs of this logical tree and also one no leaf(1.Rxe6 Qxe6 2.Re1 f5
3.Qg3 when 3...Qxe1+ was not suggested by yace when I took move back)

It seems that black has no alternative and yace can learn a score of 1.21 pawns
for white for the root position after 1.Rxe6

The question is if yace can learn a bigger score for white after a different
move.

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "New game"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "2r1r3/p3bk1p/1pnqpppB/3n4/3P2Q1/PB3N2/1P3PPP/3RR1K1 w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "8"]

1. Rxe6 Qxe6 2. Re1 Qf5 (2... f5 3. Qg3 Qxe1+ 4. Nxe1) (2... Qd6 3. Bf4 h5 4.
Qxc8 Rxc8 5. Bxd6 Bxd6 6. Bxd5+) 3. Qxf5 gxf5 4. Bxd5+ Kg6 *


New game
2r1r3/p3b2p/1pn2pkB/3B1p2/3P4/P4N2/1P3PPP/4R1K1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace Paderborn:

5.Bc1 Nb8 6.Nh4+ Kg7 7.Nxf5+ Kg6 8.Be4 Bb4 9.Ne7+ Kg7 10.Nxc8 Bxe1 11.Nd6 Re6
12.Bf4
  ±  (1.40)   Depth: 11/42   00:01:51  58455kN


New game
2r5/p4k2/1pnb1pp1/3B3p/3P4/P4N2/1P3PPP/4R1K1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace Paderborn:

6...Kg7 7.g3 Ne7 8.Bb3 b5 9.Be6 Rc2 10.b4 a6 11.Kg2
  ±  (1.21)   Depth: 13/34   00:01:30  36426kN


New game
2r1r3/p3bk1p/1pn3pB/3n1p2/3P4/PB4Q1/1P3PPP/4N1K1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace Paderborn:

4...Red8 5.Qd3 Bf6 6.Nf3 Ke7 7.Qb5 Ke6
  ±  (1.38)   Depth: 11/35   00:01:42  46375kN


New game
2r1r3/p3bk1p/1pn1q1pB/3n1p2/3P4/PB3NQ1/1P3PPP/4R1K1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace Paderborn:
3...b5 4.Rxe6 Kxe6 5.Kf1 Red8 6.Ng5+ Bxg5 7.Bxg5 Rd7 8.Qd3 a6 9.Qe3+ Kd6 10.Qg3+
  ±  (1.33)   Depth: 11/41   00:04:16  118116kN




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