Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 05:03:33 03/17/04
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On March 17, 2004 at 04:19:01, Joachim Rang wrote:
>On March 17, 2004 at 04:07:12, Bas Hamstra wrote:
>
>>On March 17, 2004 at 03:59:16, Joachim Rang wrote:
>>
>>>On March 16, 2004 at 18:58:46, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>
>>>>See this thread:
>>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?354948
>>>
>>>wait, wait...
>>>
>>>The continuation Rxf6 Qxf6 Re1 Qf5 Qxf5 gxf5 Bxd5 leads to a better endgame for
>>>white. If a GM tells me, that this endgame is won for white I believe him right
>>>away.
>>>
>>>If engines prefer Qh3 instead because they believe in the attacking chances of
>>>white, it is not convincing for me. King Safety is known to be a heuristic and
>>>even speculative evaluation feature, so a big value for Qh3 proves nothing.
>>>Where are the continuations which lead to a forced win for white after Qh3?
>>>
>>>Although Shredder 8 agrees with most programs and prefers Qh3 I don't think this
>>>is a prove that this move is better. If one looks at the PV there is no forced
>>>win in sight.
>>>
>>>The additional analysis which shows better defense of black after Rxe6 shows
>>>only, that Rxe6 is not a crushing attack but converts whites advantage in a won
>>>endgame.
>>>
>>>regards Joachim
>>>
>>>P.S.: Two concrete questions:
>>>1.) Is this position not won for white?
>>>
>>>[D] 2r1r3/p3bk1p/1pn2p1B/3n1p2/3P4/PB3N2/1P3PPP/4R1K1 w - - 0 4
>>>
>>>2.) How can white win after Qh3?
>>
>>Interesting discussion and analysis guys. And I couldn't agree more with your
>>well put points, Joachim. I guess we need a real GM to settle this.
>>
>>
>>Bas.
>
>
>This is the position white can force after Rxe6
>
>[D] 2r1r3/p3b2p/1pn2pkB/3B1p2/3P4/P4N2/1P3PPP/4R1K1 w - - 0 5
>
>Some strong player should analyze if this endgame is won or only better for
>white.
>
>Maybe Qh3 wins also, Shredder 8 gives it a +1.98 on depth 23 after 8 hours on
>Athlon 1500 MHz. The PV looks like:
>
> 1. Qh3 Rh8 2. Re4 Rc7 3. Rde1 Nd8 4. Nd2 f5 5. Re5 Bf6
>6. Nc4 Qc6 7. R5e2 Bxd4 8. Qh4 Kg8 {1.98/23}
Rxe6 is a very easy win. Qh3 a long struggle.
Shredder is tactical very weak.
Get yourself some stronger tactical engine in this position i'd say.
>but I can't decide whether this is winning or not either.
>
>regards Joachim
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