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Subject: Re: Real sacrifices.

Author: blass uri

Date: 22:13:00 12/10/98

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On December 11, 1998 at 00:29:31, blass uri wrote:

>
>On December 10, 1998 at 23:22:18, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On December 10, 1998 at 17:11:03, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>On December 10, 1998 at 16:34:20, Georg Langrath wrote:
>>>
>>>>In the begining chesscomputers never made real sacrifices for position. Super
>>>>Constellation was the first chesscomputer that was able to do that.
>>>>
>>>>Dear members of CCC. Have you nice examples of genuine sacrifices from your
>>>>chesscomputers? They are nice to look at, and it is interesting to examine if
>>>>other programs make the sacrifice. Of course all sacrifices are not healthy, but
>>>>they are always nice to look at, especially from chesscomputers.
>>>>
>>>>Please answer this notice with sacrifices from your computers. I think we all
>>>>like to examine them.
>>>>
>>>>Georg
>>>8/4kp2/r3p1p1/2p4p/2Nb1P2/1PpP1KP1/1rP1R2P/4R3 b - - 0 1
>>>
>>>This position is from mclane's tournament
>>>
>>>Fritz5(16 bit) played against Genius5
>>>Raa2(an impressive positional sacrifice) and Genius5 played Nxb2 and I think it
>>>is the losing mistake.
>>>Fritz5 can find Rc1 and I think that it is enough for doing a draw.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>
>>
>>This really isn't a positional sacrifice at all.  IE if you let crafty search
>>this position it likes Rba2 to move the rook away, after 30 seconds and 13 plies
>>eval is +.04...  if you force it to search only Raa2, after the same depth the
>>score is +.02...  and from 2 plies on it doesn't think Nxb2 is the best move...
>>
>>So this is "just a move" and not anything spectacular, IMHO...
>It is a positional sacrifice because Nxb2 is typical to computers.
>
>Fritz5 did not see a forced win of material after Nxb2 and I think that the same
>hold for crafty.
>
>computers also can play Rc1 because they want to play Nxb2 next move
>after Rc1 Ra7 the move Nxb2 is also a mistake.
>
>black can win by puting the rook at a1 and the king at a2 but this is too far to
>see for computers

The +.02 score after Raa2 is probably because of an improvement in the
evaluation of crafty because cradty15.18 as an engine for Junior5 sees  a
difference of more than 0.5 pawn between Raa2 and Rba2

After Nb2 cxb2 Rb1 Bc3 crafty 15.18 evaluation is still positive(0.28 pawns for
white at depth 14)

Uri


>
>The only reason to play Raa2 is positional(black cannot lose even if black does
>not choose the right plan).
>
>I guess that a passed pawn in the 7th rank and other positional factors were
>enough for the material.
>
>Uri



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