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Subject: Re: Gothmog in Nolot 2

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 06:37:12 03/24/04

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On March 24, 2004 at 08:38:02, Tord Romstad wrote:

>[D]r4rk1/pp1n1p1p/1nqP2p1/2b1P1B1/4NQ2/1B3P2/PP2K2P/2R5 w - - bm Rxc5;
>
>This one turned out to be rather easy.  The right move is found after less
>than 3 minutes.  After 10 minutes the score is already +4.22, and I did
>not see any point in letting the engine think for a full hour.
>
> 1       -2.31     0.00        333 Bh6
> 2       -2.38     0.01       1061 Bh6 Qb5+ Kd1
> 3       -2.81     0.06       6518 Nf6+ Nxf6 Bxf6 Rae8
> 4       -2.59     0.14      15678 Nxc5 Nxc5 Kd1 Qb5
> 5       -2.66     0.34      39082 Kd1 Qb5 Bh6 Qd3+ Nd2 Bf2 Bxf8 Rxf8
> 6    >= -2.66     0.37      42211 Kd1 Qb5 Bh6 Qd3+ Nd2 Bf2 Bxf8 Rxf8
> 6    <= -2.66     0.53      64100 Kd1 Qb5 Bh6 Qd3+ Nd2 Bf2 Bxf8 Rxf8
> 6       -2.66     0.53      64100 Kd1 Qb5 Bh6 Qd3+ Nd2 Bf2 Bxf8 Rxf8
> 7    <= -2.69     1.77     267585 Kd1 Qb5 Bh6 Bb4 Bxf8 Rxf8
> 7    <= -2.72     1.86     288360 Kd1 Qb5 Bh6 Bb4 Bxf8 Rxf8
> 7    <= -2.78     2.06     330035 Kd1 Qb5 Bh6 Bb4 Bxf8 Rxf8
> 7    >= -2.91     2.46     402364 Bh6 Qb5+ Ke1 Bb4+ Kf2 Qxe5 Qxe5 Nxe5 Nf6+
>                                   Kh8 Bxf8 Nd3+
> 7    >= -2.88     2.47     404805 Bh6 Qb5+ Ke1 Bb4+ Kf2 Qxe5 Qxe5 Nxe5 Nf6+
>                                   Kh8 Bxf8 Nd3+
> 7    <= -2.81     2.52     416337 Bh6 Qb5+ Ke1 Bb4+ Kf2 Qxe5 Qxe5 Nxe5 Nf6+
>                                   Kh8 Bxf8 Nd3+
> 7    <= -2.84     2.61     435983 Bh6 Qb5+ Ke1 Bb4+ Kf2 Qxe5 Qxe5 Nxe5 Nf6+
>                                   Kh8 Bxf8 Nd3+
> 7    <= -2.88     2.69     451984 Bh6 Qb5+ Ke1 Bb4+ Kf2 Qxe5 Qxe5 Nxe5 Nf6+
>                                   Kh8 Bxf8 Nd3+
> 7       -2.88     2.69     451984 Bh6 Qb5+ Ke1 Bb4+ Kf2 Qxe5 Qxe5 Nxe5 Nf6+
>                                   Kh8 Bxf8 Nd3+
> 8    >= -2.88     3.36     569885 Bh6 Qb5+ Ke1 Bb4+ Kf2 Qxe5 Qxe5 Nxe5 Nf6+
>                                   Kh8 Bxf8 Nd3+ Ke3 Nxc1
> 8    <= -2.88     5.06     864968 Bh6 Qb5+ Ke1 Bb4+ Kf2 Qxe5 Qxe5 Nxe5 Nf6+
>                                   Kh8 Bxf8 Nd3+ Ke3 Nxc1
> 8       -2.88     5.06     864968 Bh6 Qb5+ Ke1 Bb4+ Kf2 Qxe5 Qxe5 Nxe5 Nf6+
>                                   Kh8 Bxf8 Nd3+ Ke3 Nxc1
> 9    >= -2.88     7.04    1213494 Bh6 Qb5+ Ke1 Bb4+ Kf2 Qxe5 Qxe5 Nxe5 Nf6+
>                                   Kh8 Bxf8 Nd3+ Ke3 Nxc1
> 9    >= -2.84    10.00    1749137 Rxc5 Nxc5 Nf6+ Kh8 Qh4 Qb5+ Kf2 Nd3+ Kg2
>                                   h5 Nxh5
> 9    >= -2.72    16.58    2954765 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Bb4+ Kf2 Nd5 Bxd5 Qxd5 Qh6
> 9    >= -2.44    18.26    3293654 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Bb4+ Kf2 Nd5 Bxd5 Qxd5 Qh6
> 9    >= -1.94    21.28    3879087 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Bb4+ Kf2 Nd5 Bxd5 Qxd5 Qh6
> 9    >= -1.16    25.91    4741286 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Bb4+ Kf2 Nd5 Bxd5 Qxd5 Qh6
> 9    <= -0.19    28.60    5270863 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Bb4+ Kf2 Nd5 Bxd5 Qxd5 Qh6
> 9    <= -0.22    31.14    5724851 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bb4+ Kf2
> 9    <= -0.28    31.38    5776901 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bb4+ Kf2
> 9    <= -0.44    32.47    5974796 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bb4+ Kf2
> 9    >= -0.72    38.00    6969876 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bb4+ Kf2
> 9    >= -0.69    38.43    7067459 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bb4+ Kf2
> 9    <= -0.59    39.16    7215722 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bb4+ Kf2
> 9    <= -0.62    39.30    7247632 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bb4+ Kf2
> 9    <= -0.69    40.04    7384926 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bb4+ Kf2
> 9       -0.69    40.05    7384926 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bb4+ Kf2
>10    >= -0.69    48.04    8708613 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bb4+ Kf2
>10    >= -0.66    50.30    9163048 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bb4+ Kf2
>10    >= -0.53    52.14    9585650 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bb4+ Kf2
>10    >= -0.25    57.86   10704834 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bb4+ Kf2
>10    <=  0.22    58.84   10886185 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bb4+ Kf2
>10    <=  0.19    58.90   10902592 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bb4+ Kf2
>10    <=  0.12    59.04   10935816 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bb4+ Kf2
>10    <= -0.03    59.33   10999887 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bb4+ Kf2
>10    >= -0.22     1:00   11254415 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bb4+ Kf2
>10    <= -0.22     1:00   11290626 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bb4+ Kf2
>10       -0.22     1:00   11290626 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bb4+ Kf2
>11    >= -0.22     1:24   15346452 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bb4+ Kf2
>11    >= -0.19     1:28   16289070 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bb4+ Kf2
>11    >= -0.06     1:37   18153089 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bb4+ Kf2 Nd7 Nf6+
>                                   Nxf6 Qxf6 Bc5+ Kg3
>11    <=  0.19     2:24   26635251 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxf6 Nxf6+ Kg7 Nh5+ gxh5
>                                   Rxc5 Qxc5 Qf6+ Kg8 Qg5+ Kh8 Qf6+ Kg8
>11    <=  0.16     2:28   27535411 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxf6 Nxf6+ Kg7 Nh5+ gxh5
>                                   Rxc5 Qxc5 Qf6+ Kg8 Qg5+ Kh8 Qf6+ Kg8
>11    <=  0.09     2:31   28154618 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxf6 Nxf6+ Kg7 Nh5+ gxh5
>                                   Rxc5 Qxc5 Qf6+ Kg8 Qg5+ Kh8 Qf6+ Kg8
>11    >= -0.03     2:42   30324766 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxf6 Nxf6+ Kg7 Nh5+ gxh5
>                                   Rxc5 Qxc5 Qf6+ Kg8 Qg5+ Kh8 Qf6+ Kg8
>11    >=  0.00     2:45   31112044 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxf6 Nxf6+ Kg7 Nh5+ gxh5
>                                   Rxc5 Qxc5 Qf6+ Kg8 Qg5+ Kh8 Qf6+ Kg8
>11    <=  0.06     2:47   31379942 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxf6 Nxf6+ Kg7 Nh5+ gxh5
>                                   Rxc5 Qxc5 Qf6+ Kg8 Qg5+ Kh8 Qf6+ Kg8
>11    <=  0.03     2:48   31755026 Bf6 Qb5+ Ke1 Nxf6 Nxf6+ Kg7 Nh5+ gxh5
>                                   Rxc5 Qxc5 Qf6+ Kg8 Qg5+ Kh8 Qf6+ Kg8
>11    >=  0.03     2:54   32853017 Rxc5 Nxc5 Nf6+ Kh8 Qh4 Qb5+ Ke3 h5 Nxh5
>                                   Qd3+ Kf2 Ne4+ fxe4 Qd4+ Kg2 Qxb2+ Kh3 Qc3+
>                                   Ng3+ Kg8 Bf6
>11        0.03     2:54   32853017 Rxc5 Nxc5 Nf6+ Kh8 Qh4 Qb5+ Ke3 h5 Nxh5
>                                   Qd3+ Kf2 Ne4+ fxe4 Qd4+ Kg2 Qxb2+ Kh3 Qc3+
>                                   Ng3+ Kg8 Bf6
>12    >=  0.03     2:59   33795759 Rxc5 Nxc5 Nf6+ Kh8 Qh4 Qb5+ Ke3 h5 Nxh5
>                                   Qd3+ Kf2 Ne4+ fxe4 Qd4+ Kg2 Qxb2+ Kh3 Qc3+
>                                   Ng3+ Kg8 Bf6
>12    <=  0.03     4:20   49166069 Rxc5 Nxc5 Nf6+ Kh8 Qh4 Qb5+ Ke3 h5 Nxh5
>                                   Qd3+ Kf2 Ne4+ fxe4 Qd4+ Kg2
>12        0.03     4:20   49166069 Rxc5 Nxc5 Nf6+ Kh8 Qh4 Qb5+ Ke3 h5 Nxh5
>                                   Qd3+ Kf2 Ne4+ fxe4 Qd4+ Kg2
>13    >=  0.03     4:36   52294455 Rxc5 Nxc5 Nf6+ Kh8 Qh4 Qb5+ Ke3 h5 Nxh5
>                                   Qd3+ Kf2 Ne4+ fxe4 Qd4+ Kg2
>13    >=  0.06     4:40   53135913 Rxc5 Nxc5 Nf6+ Kh8 Qh4 Qb5+ Ke3 h5 Nxh5
>                                   Qd3+ Kf2 Ne4+ fxe4 Qd4+ Kg2
>13    >=  0.19     4:45   54250816 Rxc5 Nxc5 Nf6+ Kh8 Qh4 Qb5+ Ke3 h5 Nxh5
>                                   Qd3+ Kf2 Ne4+ fxe4 Qd4+ Kg2
>13    >=  0.47     5:02   57788284 Rxc5 Nxc5 Nf6+ Kh8 Qh4 Qb5+ Ke3 h5 Nxh5
>                                   Qd3+ Kf2 Ne4+ fxe4 Qd4+ Kg2
>13    >=  0.97     5:19   61097002 Rxc5 Nxc5 Nf6+ Kh8 Qh4 Qb5+ Ke3 h5 Nxh5
>                                   Qd3+ Kf2 Ne4+ fxe4 Qd4+ Kg2
>13    >=  1.75     5:40   65408434 Rxc5 Nxc5 Nf6+ Kh8 Qh4 Qb5+ Ke3 h5 Nxh5
>                                   Qd3+ Kf2 Ne4+ fxe4 Qd4+ Kg2
>13    >=  2.75     6:14   71954037 Rxc5 Nxc5 Nf6+ Kh8 Qh4 Qb5+ Ke3 h5 Nxh5
>                                   Qd3+ Kf2 Ne4+ fxe4 Qd4+ Kg2
>13    >=  3.75     6:55   80868486 Rxc5
>13    <=  4.72     8:17   97786282 Rxc5 Qxc5 Nxc5 Nxc5 Bh6 Nxb3 Bxf8 Rxf8
>                                   axb3
>13    <=  4.69     8:47  104265998 Rxc5 Qxc5 Nxc5 Nxc5 Bh6 Nxb3 Bxf8 Rxf8
>                                   axb3 Re8
>13    <=  4.62     9:16  110455871 Rxc5 Qxc5 Nxc5 Nxc5 Bh6 Nxb3 Bxf8 Rxf8
>                                   axb3 Re8
>13    <=  4.47     9:30  113606399 Rxc5 Qxc5 Nxc5 Nxc5 Bh6 Nxb3 Bxf8 Rxf8
>                                   axb3 Re8
>13    >=  4.19     9:37  114957182 Rxc5 Qxc5 Nxc5 Nxc5 Bh6 Nxb3 Bxf8 Rxf8
>                                   axb3 Re8
>13    >=  4.22     9:38  115129925 Rxc5 Qxc5 Nxc5 Nxc5 Bh6 Nxb3 axb3 Nd7
>                                   Bxf8 Rxf8 Ke3 h5 Kd3 Kg7
>13    <=  4.31     9:52  118009357 Rxc5 Qxc5 Nxc5 Nxc5 Bh6 Nxb3 axb3 Nd7
>                                   Bxf8 Rxf8 Ke3 h5 Kd3
>13    <=  4.28     9:55  118781416 Rxc5 Qxc5 Nxc5 Nxc5 Bh6 Nxb3 axb3 Nd7
>                                   Bxf8 Rxf8 Ke3 h5 Kd3
>13    <=  4.22     9:59  119726065 Rxc5 Qxc5 Nxc5 Nxc5 Bh6 Nxb3 axb3 Nd7
>                                   Bxf8 Rxf8 Ke3 h5 Kd3
>13        4.22     9:59  119726065 Rxc5 Qxc5 Nxc5 Nxc5 Bh6 Nxb3 axb3 Nd7
>                                   Bxf8 Rxf8 Ke3 h5 Kd3
>
>Tord

Not so fast for me with A1000 but finally movei with 16 mbyte hash fail high at
depth 13 in less than 30 minutes(it is not very sensitive for hash and I did
other things in the same time so it is practically slightly faster)

Here is the analysis:

 8 -286 2606 5061907 g5f6 c6b5 e2d2 c5b4 d2e3 d7f6 e4f6 g8h8 e3f2 b4c5 f2g3 a8c8

 9 -112 6133 11699911 g5f6 c6b5 e2e1 d7e5 f6e5 c5b4 e1f2 b6d7 e5d4 b5d3 e4g5
 9 -112 6283 12023760 g5f6 c6b5 e2e1 d7e5 f6e5 c5b4 e1f2 b6d7 e5d4 b5d3 e4g5
 10 0 20461 38114801 g5f6 c6b5 e2e1 c5b4 e1f2 d7f6 e4f6 g8g7 f6h5 g7g8 f4f6 b4c5
 f2g3 g6h5 f6g5 g8h8 g5f6 h8g8
 10 0 20727 38713624 g5f6 c6b5 e2e1 c5b4 e1f2 d7f6 e4f6 g8g7 f6h5 g7g8 f4f6 b4c5
 f2g3 g6h5 f6g5 g8h8 g5f6 h8g8
 11 0 30969 58166939 g5f6 c6b5 e2e1 c5b4 e1f2 d7f6 e4f6 g8g7 f6h5 g7g8 f4f6 b4c5
 f2g3 g6h5 f6g5 g8h8 g5f6 h8g8
 11 0 31911 60089960 g5f6 c6b5 e2e1 c5b4 e1f2 d7f6 e4f6 g8g7 f6h5 g7g8 f4f6 b4c5
 f2g3 g6h5 f6g5 g8h8 g5f6 h8g8
 12 0 53565 99663695 g5f6 c6b5 e2e1 c5b4 e1f2 d7f6 e4f6 g8g7 f6h5 g7g8 f4f6 b4c5
 f2g3 g6h5 f6g5 g8h8 g5f6 h8g8
 12 0 57091 106404744 g5f6 c6b5 e2e1 c5b4 e1f2 d7f6 e4f6 g8g7 f6h5 g7g8 f4f6 b4c
5 f2g3 g6h5 f6g5 g8h8 g5f6 h8g8
 13 0 137199 248564518 g5f6 c6b5 e2e1 d7f6 e4f6 g8g7 f6h5 g6h5 f4f6 g7g8 f6g5 g8
h8 g5f6 h8g8
13 1 167044 300541758 c1c5
13 30 179240 322958724 c1c5
 13 283 251337 455649670 c1c5 c6c5 e4c5 d7c5 g5h6 c5b3 a2b3 b6d7 h6f8 a8f8 f4e4
f8e8 f3f4 d7c5 e4d5 e8c8
 13 283 254953 463657015 c1c5 c6c5 e4c5 d7c5 g5h6 c5b3 a2b3 b6d7 h6f8 a8f8 f4e4
f8e8 f3f4 d7c5 e4d5 e8c8

I do not know if the public movei need less nodes or more nodes and maybe people
with the public movei can try it.

I did no significant changes from the public movei to the latest movei and the
main change is removing a small bug that probably changes almost nothing in the
playing strength(I did not test it in games but at least this seems to be the
case in the ecmgcp test suite when there were no significant differences).

Uri



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