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Subject: Re: chess GUI under Linux

Author: Vasik Rajlich

Date: 18:14:49 03/24/04

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On March 24, 2004 at 16:30:00, Joshua Shriver wrote:

>Good question. At first glance there doesnt seem to be a opteron build. However
>I wouldnt be suprised if there is an unofficial build, or one in the making.
>I'll do some more research and get back to you.
>
>Personally I've never used Windows for 64bit computing, and as for speed I know
>linux is blazing fast on an opteron.
>
>A friend of mine bought a Opteron laptop, and it was amazing. Believe it only
>took him 3 minutes to compile the linux kernel.
>
>As for bitboards, yeah it'll help, as to how much I dont have any numbers.
>However if you look around CCC or do a search for AMD64 and Crafty, (or opteron
>and crafty) I remember Dr. Hyatt giving some stats on the speed increase when
>going to Opteron.
>
>If it was me, I'd dual boot and test it both out and do some benchmarks.
>As for the OS, not sure how much the OS really effects the program. Stability
>might be an issue.
>
>Compiler wise, gcc is alright. And is the only other compiler besides the
>Windows SDK for AMD64. I'll also do some research and see what I can come up
>with.
>
>Side notes/commentary: Have heard that the Intel C compiler (ICC) can give you a
>as much as a 20% speed boast for 32bit code (windows and linux). Would be nice
>if they ported it to AMD64 linux  as they did the 32bit version. Though I doubt
>it since it's a competitor. Though Intel, after Itanium, seems to be working
>toward AMD compatibility for once. So who knows. A compiler I've been wanting to
>try is OpenWatcom. Back in they day they had a great compiler and there's been a
>lot of hope since they decided to open source it. Yet another compiler is the
>IBM visual age. They are 64bit, but for PPC. Even with a 32bit G4 I noticed some
>decent speed boast when using it. When compiling on a G5 it's supposed to be
>even better.
>
>Hoped this helped a little :)
>
>Sincerely,
>Joshua Shriver

Hi. Thanks a lot for the information. It's 3:00 am here, I'll digest it again
tomorrow :-)

Yes, the Athlon64 seems quite fast. Even 32 bit OS, 32 compile, Rybka does 1,116
KNPS on 3400+ (2.2 GHz, 1 M L2), compared to 797 KNPS on P4 3.06 GHz. It looks
like the right choice for chess programs.

Thanks,
Vas

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>>Yes, the UCI & book issues are not show-stoppers.
>>
>>However, Linux seems like it could take quite some time to get familiar with.
>>
>>Is Knoppix 64 bit? What is the best C++ compiler for it? And the key question:
>>how much faster (if at all) should a 64-bit build be compared to using the
>>Microsoft SDK 64-bit compiler, running on Athlon64? (My program is
>>bitboard-based, including rotated bitboards.)
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Vas
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