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Subject: Re: Don't take it personal Bryan :-)

Author: Jorge Pichard

Date: 19:06:24 03/26/04

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On March 26, 2004 at 21:48:40, Jorge Pichard wrote:

>On March 26, 2004 at 18:10:36, Bryan Hofmann wrote:
>
>>On March 26, 2004 at 12:30:40, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>On March 26, 2004 at 07:26:54, Bryan Hofmann wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 25, 2004 at 16:02:43, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On March 25, 2004 at 12:28:08, Bryan Hofmann wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On March 25, 2004 at 10:39:36, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I started a match of 10 games at G/90 between Gothmog 0.4.7 vs Fritz 6 and Fritz
>>>>>>>6 is losing  4.5 to 1.5 so far; and even if Fritz 6 win the remaining games
>>>>>>>which I doubt, Gothmog is having either too much luck or Fritz 6 is NOT as
>>>>>>>strong as I thought.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jorge
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You might want to take a look at this program;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.stevemaughan.com/whoisbetter.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dude you're Drunk! Fritz6 would slaughter these engines hands down!.
>>>>>
>>>>>I only wanted to prove to Larry that it was not as easy as he thought; all these
>>>>>programs Ruffian 1.0.1, Delfi 4.4, El Chinito 3.25, Thinker 4.5e, and Gothmog
>>>>>are almost a la par with Fritz 6 and some of these programs are even stronger.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes but I thought that if Mighty Fritz 6 is significantly stronger than any of
>>>>>the programs that I mentioned early the score after 8 games would have been the
>>>>>other way around. Instead of Gothmog winning 5.5 to 2.5 it should have been
>>>>>Fritz 6 winning by the same margin.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Jorge
>>>>
>>>>The reason I pointed you to this program is that it shows you in 10 games you
>>>>are really proving nothing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>It could be , but that is not the way I see it. If I am rated 2000 and I play an
>>>opponent which is weaker than I am by 100 points. After ten games, I should be
>>>able to make a statement unless I am playing him completely drunk, the weaker
>>>player should not be able to beat me 75% of the times out of 10 games. Now with
>>>programs it could happen that one program will win 5 games in a row and then the
>>>other will take turn if they are of equal strength or close enough within 50
>>>rating points. But I do believe that 10 games give us an indication of how close
>>>a program is to another program by looking at the percentage.
>>>
>>>PS: It doesn't proof that the program that won by 6.5 to 3.5 in the first 10
>>>games is stronger than the program that lost the small match, but at least it
>>>gives us a clue that the program that won is very close or within 50 rating
>>>points from the loser (Fritz 6)
>>>
>>>
>>>Jorge
>>
>>You can belive what ever you like. The fact is you are proving your self wrong
>>when you take a look at the stats for your 30 min games with Fritz and Gothmog.
>>It is a simple fact that you can not say with any certainty one program is
>>stronger/better then the other with 10 matches.
>
>
>Why don't you take a pick between El Chinito 3.25, Aristach 4.41, Thinker 4.5e
>Smarthink 0.17a, or Gothmog 0.47 and match it against Fritz 6 at longer time
>control = or > than G/90 and since you need at least 100 games to be convinced.
>Simply go for it!
>
>

PS: You don't need 100 rounds against Mike Tyson to convince you that he will
beat the !@#$%^$&& out of you, simply fight against him 10 little rounds and I
will be the first to pay $1000 to see him do it. Don't take it personal Bryan,
but I will not match them beyong 20 games just to satisfy a few.


Jorge




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