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Subject: Re: Fruit 1.0 64-bit

Author: Fabien Letouzey

Date: 04:16:03 03/27/04

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On March 26, 2004 at 11:50:04, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On March 26, 2004 at 09:15:12, Fabien Letouzey wrote:
>
>>On March 26, 2004 at 09:13:12, Fabien Letouzey wrote:
>>
>>>On March 26, 2004 at 09:07:18, Slater Wold wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 26, 2004 at 08:50:51, Fabien Letouzey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>I find it interesting; do you feel like investigating?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes.  I can, and will.  I started looking last nite, but ran out of time.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's not urgent of course, but I think we've got something to learn.
>>>>>For instance a way not to do things for 64-bit platforms :)
>>>>>
>>>>>>>One drawback of 64-bit ints and pointers is that they could take more space in
>>>>>>>memory, but I thought I carefully avoided that everywhere ...
>>>>>
>>>>>>I am not sure what's slowing it down.  I could clearly see why it might not get
>>>>>>a huge speedup, but the 10% slow down is confusing.
>>>>>
>>>>>I pass many pointers as function arguments (for instance I pass a pointer to the
>>>>>board everyhere instead of using a global variable).  To me an argument is the
>>>>>same as a local variable, and the slow down is very small on 32-bit platforms I
>>>>>am sure.
>>>>
>>>>This was my first guess.  You cannot cast pointers to int, long, ULONG, or DWORD
>>>>in 64-bit.  And there's a whole slew of other things to look at, also.
>>>
>>>I don't do any tricks with pointers, I don't even store them in any struct or
>>>array (only local variables, that's registers or stack).  I just pass them as
>>>argument; no pointer arithmetic ...
>>>
>>>>It very well maybe a part of it, but I think investigating the pointers,
>>>>arguments, and variables is a better place to start.
>>>
>>>Well if profiling reveals a clear difference between the 32-bit and 64-bit
>>>version that would be easy.  Of course I am expecting no such thing.
>>>
>>>Alternately, I could read the AMD 64-bit recommendations looking for something
>>>that I do differently.  I didn't bother because Fruit does not use bitboards.
>>>
>>>Fabien.
>>
>>Would there be a reason why, for instance, 16-bit integers would be slower in
>>64-bit mode?
>>
>>Fabien.
>
>
>Yes.  16/32 bit ints require sign-extension.  signed things are a problem...

Could this explain an overall 10% slow down (assuming many array accesses)?

Fabien.




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