Author: Bryan Hofmann
Date: 05:32:22 03/27/04
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On March 26, 2004 at 22:06:24, Jorge Pichard wrote: >On March 26, 2004 at 21:48:40, Jorge Pichard wrote: > >>On March 26, 2004 at 18:10:36, Bryan Hofmann wrote: >> >>>On March 26, 2004 at 12:30:40, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>> >>>>On March 26, 2004 at 07:26:54, Bryan Hofmann wrote: >>>> >>>>>On March 25, 2004 at 16:02:43, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On March 25, 2004 at 12:28:08, Bryan Hofmann wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On March 25, 2004 at 10:39:36, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I started a match of 10 games at G/90 between Gothmog 0.4.7 vs Fritz 6 and Fritz >>>>>>>>6 is losing 4.5 to 1.5 so far; and even if Fritz 6 win the remaining games >>>>>>>>which I doubt, Gothmog is having either too much luck or Fritz 6 is NOT as >>>>>>>>strong as I thought. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Jorge >>>>>>> >>>>>>>You might want to take a look at this program; >>>>>>> >>>>>>>http://www.stevemaughan.com/whoisbetter.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Dude you're Drunk! Fritz6 would slaughter these engines hands down!. >>>>>> >>>>>>I only wanted to prove to Larry that it was not as easy as he thought; all these >>>>>>programs Ruffian 1.0.1, Delfi 4.4, El Chinito 3.25, Thinker 4.5e, and Gothmog >>>>>>are almost a la par with Fritz 6 and some of these programs are even stronger. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Yes but I thought that if Mighty Fritz 6 is significantly stronger than any of >>>>>>the programs that I mentioned early the score after 8 games would have been the >>>>>>other way around. Instead of Gothmog winning 5.5 to 2.5 it should have been >>>>>>Fritz 6 winning by the same margin. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Jorge >>>>> >>>>>The reason I pointed you to this program is that it shows you in 10 games you >>>>>are really proving nothing. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>It could be , but that is not the way I see it. If I am rated 2000 and I play an >>>>opponent which is weaker than I am by 100 points. After ten games, I should be >>>>able to make a statement unless I am playing him completely drunk, the weaker >>>>player should not be able to beat me 75% of the times out of 10 games. Now with >>>>programs it could happen that one program will win 5 games in a row and then the >>>>other will take turn if they are of equal strength or close enough within 50 >>>>rating points. But I do believe that 10 games give us an indication of how close >>>>a program is to another program by looking at the percentage. >>>> >>>>PS: It doesn't proof that the program that won by 6.5 to 3.5 in the first 10 >>>>games is stronger than the program that lost the small match, but at least it >>>>gives us a clue that the program that won is very close or within 50 rating >>>>points from the loser (Fritz 6) >>>> >>>> >>>>Jorge >>> >>>You can belive what ever you like. The fact is you are proving your self wrong >>>when you take a look at the stats for your 30 min games with Fritz and Gothmog. >>>It is a simple fact that you can not say with any certainty one program is >>>stronger/better then the other with 10 matches. >> >> >>Why don't you take a pick between El Chinito 3.25, Aristach 4.41, Thinker 4.5e >>Smarthink 0.17a, or Gothmog 0.47 and match it against Fritz 6 at longer time >>control = or > than G/90 and since you need at least 100 games to be convinced. >>Simply go for it! >> >> > >PS: You don't need 100 rounds against Mike Tyson to convince you that he will >beat the !@#$%^$&& out of you, simply fight against him 10 little rounds and I >will be the first to pay $1000 to see him do it. Don't take it personal Bryan, >but I will not match them beyong 20 games just to satisfy a few. > > >Jorge I'm not taking it personal and have no interest in proving/disproving a statement made by you. I am just trying to point out to you what is needed in order to state with any certainty one program is better then the other. Anyone who knows anything about stats, sees that statements such as yours backed with your numbers are unfounded and thus ignored. If running these types matches fulfills your desires then by all mean knock your self out and continue to post meaningless statements as I and 99% of the other members of this board will continue to ignor and dismiss them.
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