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Subject: Re: Shredder 8 DOESN'T see it Not Uncommon, Nor Worrisome.

Author: Sam Lloyd

Date: 15:25:15 03/27/04

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On March 27, 2004 at 18:11:09, Derek Paquette wrote:

It sees mate, just not in 10. This is common, and really doesn't say anything
bad about the program. Fritz 8 and others extend mate too far as well. HIARCS 9
is better at mate detection and accuracy and CM9 is the best at accurate mates.

>New game
>4Q3/p4pk1/2p3p1/8/3P1N2/4PBR1/q4P1K/r3r3 w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Shredder 8:
>
>1.Qxc6 Qxf2+ 2.Kh3
>  ²  (0.39)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
>1.Qxc6 Qxf2+ 2.Kh3 Qxe3
>  ²  (0.49)   Depth: 1/4   00:00:00
>1.Bxc6 Qxf2+ 2.Kh3
>  ±  (0.73)   Depth: 1/6   00:00:00
>1.Bxc6 Qxf2+ 2.Kh3
>  ±  (1.29)   Depth: 1/6   00:00:00
>1.Bxc6 Qxf2+ 2.Kh3
>  ±  (1.29)   Depth: 1/6   00:00:00
>1.Kg2
>  +-  (1.93)   Depth: 1/7   00:00:00
>1.Kg2
>  +-  (1.93)   Depth: 1/7   00:00:00
>1.Nh5+ Kh7
>  +-  (1.97)   Depth: 1/7   00:00:00
>1.Nh5+ Kh7
>  +-  (1.97)   Depth: 1/7   00:00:00
>1.Nh5+ Kh7 2.Nf6+ Kh6
>  +-  (2.70)   Depth: 2/5   00:00:00
>1.Nh5+ Kh7 2.Nf6+ Kh6
>  +-  (2.70)   Depth: 2/7   00:00:00
>1.Nd3 Rf1 2.Qxc6
>  +-  (2.76)   Depth: 2/8   00:00:00
>1.Nd3 Rf1 2.Bxc6
>  +-  (2.98)   Depth: 2/8   00:00:00
>1.Nd3 Rf1 2.Bxc6
>  +-  (2.98)   Depth: 3/8   00:00:00
>1.Nd3 Rf1 2.Rh3 Rxf2+ 3.Nxf2 Qxf2+ 4.Bg2
>  +-  (2.77)   Depth: 4/10   00:00:00
>1.Nd3 Rf1 2.Rh3 Rxf2+ 3.Nxf2 Qxf2+ 4.Bg2
>  +-  (2.77)   Depth: 5/12   00:00:00
>1.Nd3 Rf1 2.Rh3 Rxf2+ 3.Nxf2 Qd5 4.Bxd5
>  +-  (3.02)   Depth: 6/13   00:00:00
>1.Nd3 Rf1 2.Rh3 Rxf2+ 3.Nxf2 Qd5 4.Bxd5 Rh1+ 5.Nxh1
>  +-  (3.52)   Depth: 6/17   00:00:00
>1.Nd3 Rf1 2.Rh3 Rxf2+ 3.Kg3 Rg1+ 4.Kf4 Rxf3+ 5.Ke4 Rxh3
>  +-  (3.52)   Depth: 6/17   00:00:00
>1.Rxg6+ fxg6 2.Ne6+ Qxe6 3.Qxe6 Rf1
>  +-  (3.53)   Depth: 6/24   00:00:00
>1.Rxg6+ fxg6 2.Ne6+ Qxe6 3.Qxe6 Kf8
>  +-  (3.90)   Depth: 6/24   00:00:00
>1.Rxg6+ fxg6 2.Ne6+ Qxe6 3.Qxe6 Rec1 4.Bxc6 a5 5.Kg3
>  +-  (5.74)   Depth: 6/24   00:00:00
>1.Rxg6+ fxg6 2.Ne6+ Qxe6 3.Qxe6 Rf1 4.Qe7+ Kg8 5.Bxc6 Rxf2+ 6.Kg3 Raa2
>  +-  (5.59)   Depth: 7/27   00:00:00  112kN
>1.Rxg6+ fxg6 2.Ne6+ Qxe6 3.Qxe6 a5 4.Qe7+ Kh6 5.Qf8+ Kh7 6.Bxc6 Rac1 7.Qf7+ Kh6
>  +-  (5.78)   Depth: 8/28   00:00:01  236kN
>1.Rxg6+ fxg6 2.Qxg6+ Kf8 3.Qd6+ Ke8 4.Bxc6+ Kf7 5.Bd5+ Ke8 6.Bxa2 Rxa2 7.Kg3
>  +-  (6.03)   Depth: 9/30   00:00:01  474kN
>1.Rxg6+ fxg6 2.Qxg6+ Kf8 3.Qd6+ Ke8 4.Bxc6+ Kf7 5.Bd5+ Ke8 6.Bxa2 Rxa2 7.Kg3 Rf1
>8.Qc6+ Kf7
>  +-  (6.53)   Depth: 9/30   00:00:01  485kN
>1.Rxg6+ fxg6 2.Qxg6+ Kf8 3.Qd6+ Kg8 4.Qd8+ Kf7 5.Qd7+ Kf8 6.Ne6+ Qxe6 7.Qxe6 Rg1
>8.Bxc6 a5 9.f4
>  +-  (6.84)   Depth: 9/31   00:00:02  739kN
>1.Qe5+ Kf8 2.Qd6+ Kg7 3.Nh5+ Kg8 4.Rxg6+ fxg6 5.Qxg6+ Kf8 6.Qd6+ Kg8 7.Qd8+ Kh7
>8.Be4+ Kh6 9.Qf6+ Kxh5
>  +-  (7.81)   Depth: 9/33   00:00:03  955kN
>1.Qe5+ Kf8 2.Qd6+ Kg7 3.Nh5+ Kg8 4.Rxg6+ fxg6 5.Qxg6+ Kf8 6.Qd6+ Kg8 7.Qd8+ Kh7
>8.Be4+ Kh6 9.Qf6+ Kxh5
>  +-  (8.45)   Depth: 9/33   00:00:03  957kN
>1.Qe5+ Kf8 2.Qd6+ Kg7 3.Nh5+ Kg8 4.Rxg6+ fxg6 5.Qxg6+ Kf8 6.Qd6+ Kg8 7.Qd8+ Kh7
>8.Be4+ Kh6 9.Qf6+ Kxh5
>  +-  (#150)   Depth: 9/33   00:00:03  964kN
>1.Qe5+ Kf8 2.Qd6+ Kg7 3.Nh5+ Kh7 4.Nf6+ Kg7 5.Rxg6+ fxg6 6.Ne8+ Kh7 7.Qd7+ Qf7
>8.Qxf7+ Kh6 9.Qf8+ Kg5 10.Qf4#
>  +-  (#150)   Depth: 10/23   00:00:03  983kN
>1.Qe5+ Kf8 2.Qd6+ Kg8 3.Qb8+ Kg7 4.Nh5+ Kh7 5.Nf6+ Kg7 6.Ne8+ Kf8 7.Qd6+ Kg8
>8.Nf6+ Kg7 9.Rxg6+ fxg6 10.Ne8+ Kh7 11.Qd7+ Qf7 12.Qxf7+ Kh6 13.Qf8+ Kg5 14.Qf4#
>  +-  (#14)   Depth: 11/23   00:00:03  1027kN
>1.Qe5+ Kf8 2.Qd6+ Kg8 3.Qb8+ Kg7 4.Nh5+ Kh7 5.Nf6+ Kg7 6.Ne8+ Kf8 7.Qd6+ Kg8
>8.Nf6+ Kg7 9.Rxg6+ fxg6 10.Ne8+ Kh7 11.Qd7+ Qf7 12.Qxf7+ Kh6 13.Qf8+ Kg5 14.Qf4#
>  +-  (#14)   Depth: 12/23   00:00:03  1066kN
>1.Qe5+ Kf8 2.Qd6+ Kg8 3.Qb8+ Kg7 4.Nh5+ Kh7 5.Nf6+ Kg7 6.Ne8+ Kf8 7.Qd6+ Kg8
>8.Nf6+ Kg7 9.Rxg6+ fxg6 10.Ne8+ Kh7 11.Qd7+ Qf7 12.Qxf7+ Kh6 13.Qf8+ Kg5 14.Qf4#
>  +-  (#14)   Depth: 13/26   00:00:03  1119kN
>1.Qe5+ Kf8 2.Qd6+ Kg8 3.Qb8+ Kg7 4.Nh5+ Kh7 5.Nf6+ Kg7 6.Ne8+ Kf8 7.Nd6+ Ke7
>8.Qc7+ Kf8 9.Qd8+ Kg7 10.Nf5+ Kh7 11.Rh3#
>  +-  (#11)   Depth: 14/31   00:00:04  1276kN
>1.Qe5+ Kf8 2.Qd6+ Kg8 3.Qb8+ Kg7 4.Nh5+ Kh7 5.Nf6+ Kg7 6.Ne8+ Kf8 7.Nd6+ Ke7
>8.Qc7+ Kf8 9.Qd8+ Kg7 10.Nf5+ Kh7 11.Rh3#
>  +-  (#11)   Depth: 15/30   00:00:05  1489kN
>1.Qe5+ Kf8 2.Qd6+ Kg7 3.Nh5+ Kh7 4.Nf6+ Kg7 5.Ne8+ Kg8 6.Nf6+ Kg7 7.Ne8+ Kg8
>8.Nf6+ Kg7 9.Ne8+
>  +-  (#14)   Depth: 16/49   00:00:20  6467kN
>1.Qe5+ Kf8 2.Qd6+ Kg8 3.Qb8+ Kg7 4.Nh5+ Kh7 5.Nf6+ Kg7 6.Ne8+ Kf8 7.Nd6+ Ke7
>8.Qc7+ Kf8 9.Qd8+ Kg7 10.Nf5+ Kh7 11.Rh3#
>  +-  (#11)   Depth: 17/49   00:01:08  22482kN
>1.Qe5+ Kf8 2.Qd6+ Kg8 3.Qb8+ Kg7 4.Nh5+ Kh7 5.Nf6+ Kg7 6.Ne8+ Kf8 7.Nd6+ Ke7
>8.Qc7+ Kf8 9.Qd8+ Kg7 10.Nf5+ Kh7 11.Rh3#
>  +-  (#11)   Depth: 18/33   00:01:10  23282kN
>1.Qe5+ Kf8 2.Qd6+ Kg8 3.Qb8+ Kg7 4.Nh5+ Kh7 5.Nf6+ Kg7 6.Ne8+ Kf8 7.Nd6+ Ke7
>8.Qc7+ Kf8 9.Qd8+ Kg7 10.Nf5+ Kh7 11.Rh3#
>  +-  (#11)   Depth: 19/34   00:01:15  24488kN
>1.Qe5+ Kf8 2.Qd6+ Kg8 3.Qb8+ Kg7 4.Nh5+ Kh7 5.Nf6+ Kg7 6.Ne8+ Kf8 7.Nd6+ Ke7
>8.Qc7+ Kf8 9.Qd8+ Kg7 10.Nf5+ Kh7 11.Rh3#
>  +-  (#11)   Depth: 20/35   00:01:21  26480kN
>1.Qe5+ Kf8 2.Qd6+ Kg8 3.Qb8+ Kg7 4.Nh5+ Kh7 5.Nf6+ Kg7 6.Ne8+ Kf8 7.Nd6+ Ke7
>8.Qc7+ Kf8 9.Qd8+ Kg7 10.Nf5+ Kh7 11.Rh3#
>  +-  (#11)   Depth: 21/36   00:01:35  29717kN



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