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Subject: Re: Gothmog is stronger at longer time control against Fritz 6 !

Author: martin fierz

Date: 10:32:10 03/29/04

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On March 29, 2004 at 06:37:26, martin fierz wrote:

>On March 29, 2004 at 03:38:54, Tord Romstad wrote:
>
>>On March 28, 2004 at 16:04:14, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>The Blitz G/30 was over yesterday, and after 30 games Fritz 6 won by 20 to 10.
>>>
>>>I decided to continue the Match at G/90 and after 30 games Gothmog won by 15.5
>>>to 14.5.
>>
>>Hi Jorge,
>>
>>I am very grateful for the amount of work and CPU time you spend on testing my
>>engine, and I am very interested in your games and results.  But the limited
>>number of games played does not allow you to make conclusions like the one in
>>the subject line.  The only thing you can conclude from your results is that
>>in short matches, neither of the two engines are entirely without a chance
>>of winning.
>>
>>>I still think that Gothmog at longer time control play a la par with
>>>Fritz 6, since 1 game doesn't really make too much of a difference.
>>
>>I assure you, they are not even close.  There is plenty of statistics to be
>>found on the net to prove that there is a huge gap in playing strength.  As
>>an example, consider, Heinz van Kempen's rating list:
>>
>>http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/ratings/ratingsnunn2.htm
>>
>>As you can see, Gothmog is rated 201 points behind Ruffian 1.0.5, which
>>according to the SSDF list is about as strong as Fritz 6.  Of course
>>Heinz' list is based on blitz games, and it is possible that Gothmog is
>>somewhat stronger at slow time controls (I expected the opposite, though).
>>But the idea that the difference in strength between short and fast
>>time controls could be as big as 200 points is absurd.
>>
>>Tord
>
>hi tord,
>
>i just finished a big nunn2 blitz 1' + 5''/move with 5 arena partner engines
>(ruffian 105, anmon 530, SOS4Arena, Dragon45, Nejmet 3.07) + gothmog 0.4.7 +
>muse 0894 - i'm a bit reluctant to post the result, but i can just leave out the
>last place ;-)
>gothmog finished 6th, but honourably 6th with a rather small gap to place 3.
>ruffian won convincingly, anmon came clear second and my thing clear last of
>course. i'll post the full results tonight when i get back home together with an
>elostat of the tournament. my feeling is that the difference between gothmog and
>ruffian should be smaller than 200 points based on my tournament, but i'll have
>to run elostat to be sure.
>
>cheers
>  martin
>anyway,

here goes: elostat output for 50-round nunn2-tournament on XP2400+ with ~32MB
hash per engine, time control 1'+5'': i tried to adjust starting elo so that the
ratings of ruffian, dragon and nejmet were about as in WBEC.

Ruffian 1.05  2703
Anmon 5.30    2601
SOS 4 Arena   2557
Dragon 4.5    2542
Nejmet 3.07   2527
Gothmog 0.4.7 2519
Muse 0.894    2402

so tord's suggestion that ruffian is ~200 elo stronger at blitz than gothmog is
confirmed here.

cheers
  martin



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