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Subject: Re: Do programs need Openning books for correspondance chess???

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 12:25:02 03/29/04

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On March 29, 2004 at 14:28:54, Dann Corbit wrote:

>Analysis of the two follow-on positions (after knight move and after pawn grab)
>by Shredder 7.04 and by Quark:
>
>Analysis from E:\bozuk.epd
>3/27/2004 4:05:29 PM Level: 30000 Seconds
>Analyzing engine: Quark-232-net
>
>1) bqk2r/ppppnppp/2n5/b
>    Searching move:
>    Best move (Quark-232-net): c3xd4
>    Not found in: 8:20:00
>    6   00:00 -0.03   c3d4 d7d5 e4d5 e7d5 c1g5 c6e7
>    7   00:00 -0.08   c3d4 d7d5 e4d5 e7d5 c1g5 f7f6 d1b3
>    7   00:01 -0.07   d1b3!
>    7   00:01 -0.07   d1b3 f7f5 f1e1 h8f8 c1g5 f5f4 e1d1
>    8   00:03 -0.16   d1b3 f7f5 f1e1 a5b6 e4f5 d7d5 c4d5 c8f5
>    8   00:03 -0.15   c3d4!
>    8   00:04 -0.08   c3d4 d7d5 e4d5 e7d5 c1g5 f7f6 d1b3 f6g5
>    9   00:10  0.21   c3d4 d7d5 e4d5 e7d5 d1b3 c6e7 c1a3 c7c6 b1d2
>   10   00:11 -0.09   c3d4?
>   10   00:12 -0.14   c3d4 d7d5 e4d5 e7d5 d1b3 c6e7 c1a3 c7c6 b1d2 e8f8
>   10   00:16 -0.13   d1b3!
>   10   00:26 -0.06   d1b3 f7f5 f1e1 a5b6 c3d4 c6d4 f3d4 b6d4 c1b2 d4b2
>   11   00:52 -0.36   d1b3?
>   11   01:17  0.11   d1b3 e8g8 c3d4 a5b6 d4d5 c6a5 b3c3 a5c4 c3c4 d7d6 b1c3
>e7d5
>   12   01:22 -0.19   d1b3?
>   12   02:10 -0.74   d1b3 e8g8 c3d4 a5b6 d4d5 c6a5 b3c3 a5c4 c3c4 d7d6
>   12   02:33 -0.73   f3g5!
>   12   03:30 -0.22   f3g5 c6e5 c4b3 d7d5 d1d4 f7f6 e4d5 a5b6 d4a4 c8d7 g5e6
>e7d5 e6d8
>   12   04:06 -0.21   c3d4!
>   12   04:43 -0.10   c3d4 d7d5 e4d5 e7d5 d1b3 c6e7 c1a3 c7c6 b1d2 b7b5 c4d5
>e7d5
>   13   08:40  0.18   c3d4 d7d5 e4d5 e7d5 d1b3 c6e7 c1a3 c7c6 b1d2 a5d2 f3d2
>b7b5 a3e7
>   14   17:20  0.00   c3d4 d7d5 e4d5 e7d5 d1b3 c6e7 c1a3 c7c6 b1d2 b7b5 a3e7
>e8e7 f1e1 c8e6 c4d3
>   15   55:16  0.17   c3d4 d7d5 e4d5 e7d5 d1b3 c8e6 b3b7 d5e7 c4b5 e6d5 f3e5
>d8b8 b7a6 b8b6 a6b6
>   16   2:06:13 -0.08   c3d4 d7d5 e4d5 e7d5 d1b3 c6e7 c1a3 c7c6 b1d2 a5d2 f3d2
>d8b6 f1e1 b6b3 a2b3 c8e6
>   17   6:39:14 -0.01   c3d4 d7d5 e4d5 e7d5 d1b3 c8e6 b3b7 d5e7 c4e6 f7e6 b7a6
>d8d5 c1d2 a5d2 b1d2 c6d4 a6a4
>   18   7:55:57 -0.22   c3d4 d7d5 e4d5 e7d5 d1b3 c6e7 c1a3 c7c6 f1c1 b7b5 c4d5
>d8d5 a3e7 e8e7 b3e3 c8e6 f3e5 a5c7 e5c6
>   3/29/2004 1:25:53 AM, Time for this analysis: 08:20:00, Rated time: 33:20:00

This is the right Shredder analysis (the one posted directly below is for the
original position)
Analysis from E:\bozuk.epd
3/27/2004 4:05:29 PM Level: 30000 Seconds
Analyzing engine: Shredder 7.04

1) bqk2r/ppppnppp/2n5/b
    Searching move:
    Best move (Shredder 7.04): c3xd4
    Not found in: 8:20:00
    2   00:00  0.24   c3xd4 d7d5
    3   00:00  0.24   c3xd4 d7d5
    4   00:00  0.24   c3xd4 d7d5
    5   00:00  0.24   c3xd4 d7d5
    6   00:00  0.24   c3xd4 d7d5
    7   00:00  0.24   c3xd4 d7d5
    8   00:00  0.24   c3xd4 d7d5
    9   00:01  0.24   c3xd4 d7d5
   10   00:02  0.24   c3xd4 d7d5
   11   00:05  0.24   c3xd4 d7d5
   12   00:37  0.06   c3xd4 d7d5 e4xd5 Ne7xd5 Bc1a3 Bc8e6 Qd1b3 Ra8b8 Rf1c1 h7h6
Nb1d2 Ba5xd2 Nf3xd2 Nc6xd4
   13   02:36  0.19   c3xd4 Ba5b6 Nb1c3 00 d4d5 Nc6a5 Bc4d3 d7d6 Nc3a4 Bc8g4
Na4xb6 a7xb6 Nf3g5 Bg4xd1
   14   04:20  0.04   c3xd4 Ba5b6 Nb1c3 00 Bc1g5 h7h6 Bg5h4 d7d6 Nc3d5 Bc8g4
Ra1c1 Bg4xf3 g2xf3 Qd8d7 Bh4xe7 Nc6xe7
   15   09:12  0.22   c3xd4 00 d4d5 Nc6b8 d5d6 c7xd6 Bc1b2 d6d5 e4xd5 d7d6 Nb1c3
Rf8e8 Rf1e1 Bc8f5 Ra1c1
   16   17:57  0.20   c3xd4 d7d5 e4xd5 Ne7xd5 Bc1a3 Bc8e6 Nb1d2 Qd8f6 Bc4xd5
Be6xd5 Rf1e1+ Nc6e5 d4xe5 Qf6g6 Kg1h1 Qg6xg2+ Kh1xg2
   17   45:15  0.09   c3xd4 00 d4d5 Nc6b8 Qd1a4 Ba5b6 d5d6 c7xd6 Nb1c3 d6d5
e4xd5 d7d6 Rf1e1
   18   2:49:07  0.10   c3xd4 Ba5b6 Nf3g5 d7d5 e4xd5 Nc6a5 Bc4b5+ c7c6 Bc1a3 00
d5xc6 b7xc6 Bb5d3 g7g6 Nb1c3 Bb6xd4 Rf1e1 Rf8e8 Ra1c1
   19   5:20:17  0.02   c3xd4 00 d4d5 Nc6b8 d5d6 c7xd6 Bc1b2 d6d5 e4xd5 d7d6
Nb1d2 Rf8e8 Nd2b3 Ba5b6
   3/28/2004 12:25:32 AM, Time for this analysis: 08:20:00, Rated time: 8:20:00


>    Searching move:
>    Best move (Shredder 7.04): d4xc3
>    Not found in: 8:20:00
>    2   00:00  0.42   Ng8f6 Bc1g5 Ba5xc3 Nb1xc3 d4xc3
>    2   00:00  0.51   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3 Ng8f6
>e4e5 Nf6e4 Qc3e3 00 Bc4d3 f7f5 e5xf6/ep d7d5 f6xg7 Rf8e8 Qe3f4 Kg8xg7
>    3   00:00  0.51   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3 Ng8f6
>e4e5 Nf6e4 Qc3e3 00 Bc4d3 f7f5 e5xf6/ep d7d5 f6xg7 Rf8e8 Qe3f4 Kg8xg7
>    4   00:00  0.51   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3 Ng8f6
>e4e5 Nf6e4 Qc3e3 00 Bc4d3 f7f5 e5xf6/ep d7d5 f6xg7 Rf8e8 Qe3f4 Kg8xg7
>    5   00:00  0.51   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3 Ng8f6
>e4e5 Nf6e4 Qc3e3 00 Bc4d3 f7f5 e5xf6/ep d7d5 f6xg7 Rf8e8 Qe3f4 Kg8xg7
>    6   00:00  0.51   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3 Ng8f6
>e4e5 Nf6e4 Qc3e3 00 Bc4d3 f7f5 e5xf6/ep d7d5 f6xg7 Rf8e8 Qe3f4 Kg8xg7
>    7   00:00  0.51   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3 Ng8f6
>e4e5 Nf6e4 Qc3e3 00 Bc4d3 f7f5 e5xf6/ep d7d5 f6xg7 Rf8e8 Qe3f4 Kg8xg7
>    8   00:00  0.51   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3 Ng8f6
>e4e5 Nf6e4 Qc3e3 00 Bc4d3 f7f5 e5xf6/ep d7d5 f6xg7 Rf8e8 Qe3f4 Kg8xg7
>    9   00:00  0.51   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3 Ng8f6
>e4e5 Nf6e4 Qc3e3 00 Bc4d3 f7f5 e5xf6/ep d7d5 f6xg7 Rf8e8 Qe3f4 Kg8xg7
>   10   00:01  0.51   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3 Ng8f6
>e4e5 Nf6e4 Qc3e3 00 Bc4d3 f7f5 e5xf6/ep d7d5 f6xg7 Rf8e8 Qe3f4 Kg8xg7
>   11   00:02  0.51   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3 Ng8f6
>e4e5 Nf6e4 Qc3e3 00 Bc4d3 f7f5 e5xf6/ep d7d5 f6xg7 Rf8e8 Qe3f4 Kg8xg7
>   12   00:04  0.51   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3 Ng8f6
>e4e5 Nf6e4 Qc3e3 00 Bc4d3 f7f5 e5xf6/ep d7d5 f6xg7 Rf8e8 Qe3f4 Kg8xg7
>   13   00:08  0.51   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3
>   14   00:17  0.51   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3
>   15   00:32  0.51   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3
>   16   01:06  0.51   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3
>   17   02:02  0.51   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5
>   18   28:49  0.27   d4xc3 Bc1g5 Ng8e7 Bg5xe7 Qd8xe7 Qd1xd7+ Qe7xd7 Bc4xf7+
>Ke8xf7 Kg1h1
>   19   2:51:39  0.36   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3 Ng8f6
>Rf1e1 h7h6 Bg5xf6 Qg6xf6 Qc3xf6 g7xf6 e4e5 f6xe5 Nf3xe5 00 Ne5xc6 d7xc6 Re1e7
>Bc8e6
>   20   5:57:56  0.34   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3 Ng8f6
>e4e5 Nf6e4 Qc3e3 00 Bc4d3 d7d5 e5xd6/ep Rf8e8 Rf1e1 Bc8f5
>   3/28/2004 5:05:39 PM, Time for this analysis: 08:20:00, Rated time: 25:00:00
>
>2) bqk1nr/pppp1ppp/2n5/
>    Searching move:
>    Best move (Quark-232-net): Qd1-b3
>    Not found in: 8:20:00
>    6   00:00 -0.65   d1b3 g8f6 b1c3 a5c3 b3c3 f6e4
>    7   00:01 -0.44   d1b3 g8f6 c1a3 d7d6 c4f7 e8f8 e4e5
>    8   00:03 -0.67   d1b3 d8e7 b1c3 a5c3 b3c3 g8f6 c1g5 e7e4
>    9   00:06 -0.50   d1b3 g8f6 c4f7 e8f8 f7d5 f6d5 e4d5 c6e7 b1c3 a5c3
>   10   00:18 -0.50   d1b3 g8f6 c4f7 e8f8 f7d5 c6e7 b1c3 a5c3 b3c3 e7d5 e4d5
>   11   01:04 -0.51   d1b3 d8f6 e4e5 f6g6 b1c3 g8e7 f1d1 e8g8 c4d3 g6g4 a2a4
>   12   02:51 -0.53   d1b3 d8f6 c1g5 f6g6 b1c3 g8f6 g5f6 g6f6 e4e5 f6f5 f3h4
>f5f4
>   13   07:52 -0.62   d1b3 d8f6 e4e5 f6g6 b1c3 g8e7 f3h4 g6g4 h4f3 a5c3 b3c3
>d7d5 e5d6
>   14   32:30 -0.78   d1b3 d8f6 c1g5 f6g6 b1c3 g8f6 g5f6 g6f6 c3d5 f6d6 f3g5
>e8g8 b3h3 h7h6
>   15   1:18:53 -0.57   d1b3 d8f6 c1g5 f6g6 b1c3 g8f6 g5f6 g6f6 c3d5 f6d8 b3a3
>d7d6 c4b5 a5b6 f1d1
>   16   3:17:58 -0.56   d1b3 d8f6 c1g5 f6g6 b1c3 g8f6 g5f6 g6f6 c3d5 f6d8 b3a3
>d7d6 c4b5 c8d7 b5c6 b7c6
>   17   5:04:03 -0.57   d1b3 d8f6 c1g5 f6g6 b1c3 g8f6 e4e5 a5c3 b3c3 f6e4 c3e3
>c6b4 f1c1 h7h6 a2a3 e4g5 a3b4
>   3/29/2004 9:45:55 AM, Time for this analysis: 08:20:00, Rated time: 41:40:00
>
>    Best move (Shredder 7.04): Qd1-b3
>    Not found in: 8:20:00
>    2-  00:00 -1.22   Bc1g5 Ng8f6 Bg5xf6 g7xf6
>    2   00:00 -0.78   Bc1g5 Ng8f6 Bg5xf6 g7xf6
>    2   00:00 -0.70   Bc1f4 Ng8f6
>    2   00:00 -0.66   Qd1d5 Qd8f6
>    2   00:00 -0.27   Qd1b3 Qd8f6
>    3-  00:00 -0.63   Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Qb3xb7
>    3   00:00 -0.71   Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Rf1d1
>    3+  00:00 -0.70   Bc1g5 Ng8f6 Qd1d3
>    3   00:00 -0.68   Bc1g5 Ng8f6 Nb1a3
>    3+  00:00 -0.63   Bc1f4 d7d6 Qd1d3
>    3   00:00 -0.58   Bc1f4 Qd8f6 Bf4e3
>    3+  00:00 -0.52   Qd1d5 Qd8f6 Nb1a3
>    3   00:00 -0.35   Qd1d5 Qd8f6 Rf1d1
>    4-  00:00 -0.60   Qd1d5 Qd8e7 Rf1d1 d7d6 Qd5xf7+ Qe7xf7
>    4   00:00 -0.81   Qd1d5 Qd8e7 Rf1d1 Ng8f6 Qd5xf7+ Qe7xf7
>    4+  00:00 -0.80   Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6f4
>    4   00:00 -0.51   Qd1b3 Qd8e7 Rf1d1 Qe7f6
>    5+  00:00 -0.26   Qd1b3 f7f6 Nb1xc3 d7d6
>    5   00:00 -0.20   Qd1b3 Qd8e7 Nb1xc3 Ng8f6 Bc1a3 Ba5xc3 Ba3xe7 Bc3xa1
>    6-  00:00 -0.45   Qd1b3 Qd8e7 Nb1xc3 Ng8f6 Bc4xf7+ Qe7xf7 Qb3e6+ d7xe6
>    6   00:00 -0.54   Qd1b3 Qd8e7 Rf1d1 Ng8f6 Bc1a3 d7d6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3
>Qe7xe4
>    7   00:01 -0.30   Qd1b3 Qd8e7 Nb1xc3 Ng8f6 Bc1g5 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3 00
>    8   00:02 -0.19   Qd1b3 Qd8e7 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3 Ng8f6 Bc1f4 d7d6 Rf1e1
>    9   00:05 -0.43   Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1e3 Ng8e7 Be3g5 Qf6g6 Bg5xe7 Nc6xe7 Qb3xc3
>Ba5xc3 Bc4xf7+ Qg6xf7
>   10   00:12 -0.58   Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ng8f6 Bg5xf6 Qg6xf6 Nc3d5
>Qf6g6 Nd5f4 Qg6f6
>   11   00:27 -0.35   Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ng8h6 Qb3a3 Ba5b4 Qa3b2 00
>Nc3d5 Qg6xe4
>   12   00:50 -0.51   Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ng8f6 Bg5xf6 Qg6xf6 Nc3d5
>Qf6h6 Qb3a3 d7d6 Bc4b5 00 Bb5xc6 b7xc6 Qa3xa5 c6xd5 e4xd5
>   13   02:02 -0.51   Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ng8f6 Bg5xf6 Qg6xf6 Nc3d5
>Qf6h6 Qb3a3 d7d6 Bc4b5 00 Bb5xc6 b7xc6 Qa3xa5 c6xd5 e4xd5
>   14   04:09 -0.52   Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3 Ng8f6 e4e5
>Nf6e4 Qc3e3 Ne4xg5 Nf3xg5 Nc6xe5 Qe3xe5+ Qg6e6
>   15   09:24 -0.59   Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3 Ng8f6 e4e5
>Nf6e4 Qc3e3 00 Bc4d3 d7d5 e5xd6/ep Bc8f5 d6xc7 Ra8e8
>   16   21:49 -0.49   Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ng8f6 Bg5xf6 Qg6xf6 Nc3d5
>Qf6d8 Qb3a3 d7d6 Bc4b5 00 Bb5xc6 b7xc6 Qa3xa5 c6xd5 e4xd5
>   17   47:18 -0.35   Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3 Ng8f6 Bc4d3
>00 Ra1e1 h7h6 e4e5 Nf6d5 Qc3c2 Nd5b4 Bd3xg6 Nb4xc2 Bg6xc2
>   18   1:30:20 -0.33   Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3 Ng8f6 Ra1e1
>00 Bc4d3 h7h6 e4e5 Nf6d5 Qc3c4 Qg6h5 Bg5h4 Nd5b4 Bd3e4
>   19   3:30:47 -0.51   Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3 Ng8f6 Rf1e1
>00 Bc4d3 h7h6 e4e5 Nf6d5 Qc3c4 Qg6h5 Bg5d2 Nd5e7 Ra1d1
>   3/28/2004 8:45:34 AM, Time for this analysis: 08:20:00, Rated time: 16:40:00



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