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Subject: Re: SEE and FH-%

Author: Andreas Guettinger

Date: 10:55:47 03/30/04

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On March 30, 2004 at 13:16:00, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On March 30, 2004 at 12:29:42, Renze Steenhuisen wrote:
>
>>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>today I wanted to implement SEE, and use it in the Qsearch. My SEE isn't using
>>X-ray (discovered attacks) at the moment, but I already expected to see a boost
>>in FH-%. Unfortunately I didn't see it yet...
>>
>>Using it in the main-search did give an advantage of some 5%
>>
>>1> Is SEE not that important in Qsearch?
>>
>>2> With MVV/LVA I had about 15-20% Quiscence nodes, with SEE I have 25-30%
>>   Qnodes!?
>>
>>Could some one give an overview of which move-ordering technique is responsible
>>for how much FH-%?!
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Renze
>
>If you use SEE everywhere for move ordering, it will reduce the total tree size
>by about 10% over MVV/LVA.  But if you use SEE to eliminate hopeless captures in
>the tree search, you will reduce the tree size by more than 50%, which is very
>significant.  MVV/LVA can't be used to do this since it is a poor estimator for
>expected gain or loss...


Do you mean by eliminate hopless captures in the tree search:

- give them the smallest priority in move ordering?

or

-prune them in the search tree?

regards
Andy



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