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Subject: Re: Test Position (Shredder 8 doesn't find it in reasonable amount of time!)

Author: John Merlino

Date: 15:29:04 03/30/04

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On March 30, 2004 at 18:21:40, John Merlino wrote:

>On March 30, 2004 at 18:05:08, Derek Paquette wrote:
>
>>This was posted on chessbase, the correct move is rxc3,
>>
>>as soon as i play rxc3 the eval goes nuts and sky rockets, but yet it can't seem
>>to find it on its own!
>>
>>2r2rk1/pp3pp1/4bb1p/q2p1P1Q/3P4/2N5/PP4PP/1K1R1B1R b - - 0 1
>
>Ditto for Chessmaster 9000, SKR personality, on an AMD XP 2500+ (new work
>computer):
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:00	1/3	-1.14	1606		1...Bd7 2.Qf3 Ba4 3.Rd2
>0:00	1/4	-1.42	4898		1...Bd7 2.Qf3 Ba4 3.Rd3 Rfd8
>0:00	1/5	-1.15	13247		1...Bd7 2.Qf3 Ba4 3.Rd2 Rfe8 4.Be2
>0:00	1/6	-1.23	38717		1...Bd7 2.Qf3 Ba4 3.Nxa4 Qxa4 4.Qb3
>					Qd7 5.g4 Qc7
>0:00	1/7	-1.02	104481		1...Bd7 2.Qf3 Rfd8 3.Nxd5 Bxf5+
>					4.Qxf5 Qxd5 5.Qxd5 Rxd5 6.Rc1 Rxc1+
>					7.Kxc1 Bxd4
>0:01	1/8	-1.05	306102		1...Bd7 2.Qf3 Bc6 3.Be2 Rfd8 4.Rhf1
>					Ba4 5.Rd2
>0:03	1/9	-1.11	955893		1...Bd7 2.Qf3 Ba4 3.Nxa4 Qxa4 4.Qb3
>					Qxb3 5.axb3 Rfe8 6.Bb5 Re4 7.Bd7
>					Rd8
>0:10	1/10	-1.05	2987829		1...Bd7 2.Qf3 Bc6 3.Be2 Rfe8 4.h4
>					Qb4 5.Qd3 Rcd8 6.Qd2 Qe7
>0:32	1/11	-1.06	8323240		1...Bd7 2.Qf3 Ba4 3.Rd2 Rfe8 4.Be2
>					Bg5 5.Rd3 Red8 6.h4 Bf6 7.Rd2
>1:10	1/12	-1.17	19459072	1...Bd7 2.Qf3 Ba4 3.Rd2 Rfe8 4.Be2
>					Bg5 5.Rd3 Qc7 6.h4 Bf6 7.Rc1 Qe7
>3:02	1/13	-1.19	52725008	1...Bd7 2.Qf3 Ba4 3.Rd2 Bc6 4.Rd1
>					Rfd8 5.Qd3 Ba4 6.Nxa4 Qxa4 7.Qb3
>					Qc6 8.Bb5
>
>jm

Whoops, submitted too soon. The King also cannot find Rxc3, but the REASON for
that is because it's eval for Rxc3 is MUCH worse than that for Bd7 (shown above)
-- almost a full point!

After forcing 1...Rxc3, it says:

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	-1.10	1610		2.bxc3 Qxc3 3.fxe6 Qb4+ 4.Kc2 Rc8+
					5.Kd3 Qxd4+ 6.Ke2
0:00	1/3	-0.35	2314		2.fxe6 Rc6 3.exf7+ Rxf7 4.Be2
0:00	1/4	-0.86	3838		2.fxe6 Rc6 3.exf7+ Rxf7 4.Be2 Qa4
0:00	1/5	-0.54	15630		2.fxe6 Rc7 3.exf7+ Rfxf7 4.Qg4
					Qa4 5.Rd2
0:00	1/6	-0.82	55626		2.fxe6 Rc7 3.exf7+ Rfxf7 4.Be2
					Qa4 5.Ka1 Rc2
0:00	1/7	-0.34	172122		2.fxe6 Rc7 3.exf7+ Rcxf7 4.Be2
					Bg5 5.Qg6 Be3 6.Rhf1 Rxf1 7.Bxf1
0:02	1/8	-0.24	548625		2.fxe6 Rc7 3.Bd3 fxe6 4.Qg6 Qb4
					5.Qh7+ Kf7 6.Qg6+ Ke7 7.Qg3 Rcc8
0:05	1/9	-0.14	1552630		2.fxe6 Rc7 3.exf7+ Rfxf7 4.Be2
					Qb6 5.Qxd5 Rd7 6.Qe4 Bxd4
0:14	1/10	-0.12	4139215		2.fxe6 Rc7 3.exf7+ Rfxf7 4.Bd3
					Bxd4 5.Qg6 Qb6 6.Qh7+ Kf8 7.Qh8+
					Ke7 8.Rhe1+ Be3 9.Qb8 Kd6 10.Qd8+
					Rfd7
0:49	1/11	-0.33	14917441	2.fxe6 Rc6 3.exf7+ Rxf7 4.h4 Qb6
					5.Qxd5 Rd6 6.Qb5 Rxd4 7.Rxd4 Qxd4
					8.Bc4
2:05	1/12	-0.18	39187000	2.fxe6 Rc6 3.exf7+ Rxf7 4.h4 Kf8
					5.Be2 Qa4 6.Rhf1 Qc2+ 7.Ka1 Rfc7
					8.Rb1 Qe4 9.Bb5 Rc2
5:46	1/13	-0.12	110433644	2.fxe6 Rc6 3.exf7+ Rxf7 4.h4 Kf8
					5.Be2 Qa4 6.b3 Qa5 7.Bf3 Ra6 8.a4
					Qc3 9.Qxd5 Rc7

jm



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