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Subject: Re: King's Out : move ordering questions

Author: Vasik Rajlich

Date: 01:42:24 04/02/04

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On April 01, 2004 at 07:18:57, Bernd Nürnberger wrote:

>On April 01, 2004 at 05:09:34, Vasik Rajlich wrote:
>
>>On March 31, 2004 at 07:43:59, Bernd Nürnberger wrote:
>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>[introduction]
>>>(1)
>>>[PV varies widly with different mvoe orderings]
>>>(2)
>>>[60-80% FH with MVV/LVA, PVS, history heuristics, hash table]
>>>(3)
>>>[SEE description wanted!]
>>>
>
>>Your move ordering is quite ok.
>Well, 80% or quite o.k., 60% are somewhat low I think. Compared to the simple
>minmax (resp. the perft values), alpha beta with some enhancements is an
>although very amazing in my opinion!!
>
>>There should be no big difference between mmv/lva for move ordering. (Untested
>>hypothesis actually.) Killers should help.
>Do you mean, moving from MVV/LVA to SEE will not reduce my tree size
>drastically?  Killers did not help very much two months ago, maybe because
>they are very similiar to the history heuristics?!

Yes, that's what I meant.

Killers are more local than history. Are you sure you implemented them
correctly? They should definitely be done before bad captures, maybe even before
equal captures.

>
>>The main thing which will drive up your first cut rate is internal iterative
>>deepening. (If you have it implemented and are getting 60-80%, then you have a
>>bug.)
>Maybe this is really a good idea!  I did not try it so far, and I will
>surely try it the next days. Thanks for this advice!
>
>Greetings,
>              Bernd



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