Author: Detlef Pordzik
Date: 16:04:07 12/12/98
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On December 12, 1998 at 10:46:31, Terry Presgrove wrote: >On December 12, 1998 at 09:24:06, Micheal Cummings wrote: > >> >>On December 12, 1998 at 09:12:02, Terry Presgrove wrote: >> >>>On December 12, 1998 at 05:03:57, Micheal Cummings wrote: >>> >>>>In the first post to announce moderators nominations, I think I read that the >>>>people being nominated where going to write a few words on how the CCC would be >>>>moderated by them. >>>> >>>>I am very interested and want to hear from the nominated people their views in >>>>order I can choose the ones I like, is that going to happen. >>>> >>>>Because from a few postings of late I think the moderators now are not currently >>>>doing what the CCC charter tells us. >>>> >>>>If someone can tell me when this will happen I will grateful. >>>> >>>>Regards >>>> >>>>Micheal >>> >>> I agree it would be good to here from the candidates before the election. >>> I do disagree about the CCC charter issue.......personaly I have seen very few >>> offensive posts of late that warrant moderator attention ......if this a forum >>> of ideas, communication will always bring about certain amount of disagreement. >>> While its true that disagrreement is judged much by whose goose is being >>> cooked, in the main I've thought the current moderators have done an >>>outstanding job...... >> >> >>I agree, they have done a great job, But the main part of the charter I am >>refering too is that of being free from personal attacks. I think that is the >>main problem for the moderators on here, and I believe it should be more >>forcefully enforced. >> >>I think a thread posted just recently should be removed, its heading is a >>personal attack and I believe not part of computer chess. >> >>Even if there is one sentence related in a post, if it contains an unwarranted >>personal attack then that post should be removed. >> >>That is why I want to hear from the nominated moderators to see what their views >>on things like this are, and how they should be treated, or just let things like >>this happen, then you might as well change the charter and get back to r.g.c.c >>which I have never looked at, but I hear is a very unlimited place in what you >>can say or do. >> >>Personally I do not want to read people having jibes at each other, I know I >>have responded to some aimed at me from replies I have made to some things, but >>I am now going to try not too, it is not worth the stress. > > It is very difficult to seperate ideas from the man/woman who express those > views. One should be able to attack / defend any idea presented in an open > forum discussion , regardless of its unpopularity. But I agree when it crosses > over into personal attack ......it should be handled in a private way....email > whatever, but not in this forum. The problem is making the distinction between > what is an attack on the idea (which is acceptable) and an attack on the person > which is not.....it can become a very gray line and a balancing act for all of > us. Example : it seems if CM6000 is attacked some take it personal as an attack > on themselves....as though it were an extension of the person. This sometimes >leads to personal counter attacks and very heated exchanges. When in point of > fact it is merely a valid criticism of ones personal views on a particular >product (no matter that others disagree). It is to that person his personal >opinion and is as valid as anyone elses to that person. This is a very >complicated issue .......I don't envy the moderators as they will always be >criticised no matter what action they take or through lack of action. It will >always be a point of tension in a forum where limits are put on speech.....even >in a land (USA) where we pride ourselves with free speech there are limits to >what is acceptable /legal free speech ...example : you cannot cry fire in a >crowded theater. I think it should be a prerequisite to hear from the moderator >candidates to see their views on this subject before the election. >TP There were times, long gone, - where people took a criticism against " their " product as a personal attack. These were the days of the board computers, where one could easily spend 1.800 US Dollars on a purchase - bought as trusted / believed / wished.....updates ? Questionable..... so, one COULD have undestood the intention of such an owner, who felt personally affected - that this, his beloved - and expensive tresure case might not be as good as...... when I look back into my archives, the postings - LETTERS ( ! ) at that time were of quite high quality - not just personal, ridiculous attacks, nope - the " affected " tried to give proof of his " darling's " quality by games ( analyzed !! ) - test positions + so on. So, this was.... today we reached a stadium, where we need Moderators - for people who react as if they're out of the gutter, just because they don't get the applause they recommend for their opinions. To make it as cheap as possible : I, myself, like the CM alot - as everyboby knows, and I like Marty's MCP + Ed's releases. Sometimes I'm really happy, when I - or in cooperation with comrades like Harald, - find new settings or such. So one wants to share this with the comrades - here. Result ( suggested ) : personal attacks.......... what's this, we're discussing about ? Easy to detect - we're all grown up's - so - everybody should - must know, how to behave. Not a chance to get through with such an often herein seen behaviour in real life - so, why in CCC - becuase it's " just usenet " , eh ? Instead of blocking this, and I mean it, there seems to be a debate, if an attack is not that harsh, not that ugly, better please by private...... this is ridiculous to me. If a someone doesn't behave as expected - for me the show for this gent should be over - for good. This for the CM + other " heatened " postings. A thread like " Mr. Takata - a weak master " - or however - is insane ! Besides the fact, that a master is a master and got a fine reputation - prooved, BTW - how come anybody can dare to set up this here and the folks discuss to remove such an evil thing.......or not ? There have been comebacks of gents recently - where I can just shake my head - I'm just a user - but we got a spoken word, here in Germany : " You're gonna get exactly them ghots, you're shoutin' for " ELVIS
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