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Subject: Re: Solving a position desn't mean anything since....................

Author: Jorge Pichard

Date: 16:31:38 04/03/04

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On April 03, 2004 at 12:18:35, Jorge Pichard wrote:

>On April 03, 2004 at 11:54:38, Sam Lloyd wrote:
>
>>If Qf8?? h5! and zugzwang, White wins...Kh7 draws.
>>
>>[D]3nQ1k1/p2P2p1/1p6/8/5q1P/8/PP6/1K6 b - - 0 1
>
>New game
>3nQ1k1/p2P2p1/1p6/8/5q1P/8/PP6/1K6 b - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Hermann 0.3.2:
>
>1...Qf8 2.a4 a6 3.Kc2 b5
>  -+  (-1.65)   Depth: 10/22   00:00:09  481kN
>1...Qf8 2.a4 a6 3.Kc2 b5 4.Kb3 Nf7 5.Qe6 a5 6.axb5 Qb4+ 7.Kc2 Qxh4
>  -+  (-1.60)   Depth: 11/24   00:00:26  1080kN
>1...Kh7 2.Qxd8 a5 3.Kc2 Kg6 4.Qxb6+ Kh5 5.d8Q Qe4+ 6.Kc1 Qa4 7.Qxa5+ Qxa5
>8.Qxa5+
>  µ  (-1.10)   Depth: 12/26   00:00:41  5283kN
>
>(Pichard, MyTown 03.04.2004)


The new version doesn't even consider 1...Kh7, but that clearly show that
solving a position desn't meant anything, since this newer version is much
stronger :-)


New game
3nQ1k1/p2P2p1/1p6/8/5q1P/8/PP6/1K6 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Hermann 1.0.5  0.3.2:

1...Qf8 2.Kc2 Nf7 3.a4 g6 4.b4 Kg7 5.Kc3 Qd6
  -+  (-1.61)   Depth: 9/20   00:00:07  105kN
1...Qf8 2.Kc2 Nf7 3.Kb3 b5 4.a4 a6 5.Qe6 bxa4+ 6.Kxa4 Qd8
  -+  (-1.62)   Depth: 10/21   00:00:24  358kN
1...Qf8 2.Kc2 Nf7 3.Qe6 Qc5+ 4.Kd3 Qe3+ 5.Qxe3 g5
  µ  (-1.09)   Depth: 11/24   00:00:42  925kN
1...Qf8 2.Kc2 a6 3.Kc3 g6 4.Qxg6+ Qg7+ 5.Qxg7+ Kxg7 6.a4 Kh6 7.Kb4 Nc6+ 8.Kc3
Kh5
  µ  (-0.83)   Depth: 12/26   00:00:59  2842kN
1...Qf8 2.Kc2 Nf7 3.Qe6 g5 4.a4 Kg7 5.d8N Nxd8 6.Qd7+ Kg6 7.h5+ Kxh5 8.Qd1+ Kg6
  µ  (-1.08)   Depth: 13/28   00:01:16  7086kN
1...Qf8 2.Kc2 Nf7 3.Qe6 g5 4.a4 Kg7 5.d8N Nxd8 6.Qd7+ Kg6 7.h5+ Kxh5 8.Qd1+ Kg6
  µ  (-1.11)   Depth: 13/28   00:01:26  7942kN
1...Qf8 2.Kc2 Nf7 3.Qe6 g5 4.Qg6+ Qg7 5.Qxf7+ Kxf7 6.d8Q Qh7+ 7.Kd2 gxh4 8.Qc7+
Kg6 9.Qxh7+
  µ  (-1.11)   Depth: 14/29   00:02:35  24626kN

(Pichard, MyTown 04.04.2004)

>
>>
>>Shredder 8 discards Qf8?? very quickly, also Shredder 7.04 within a short span
>>of time and switches to Kh7 Shredder 7 though analyzes Qf8??, as does Fritz 8
>>and many more.
>>
>>Lloyd

• Of course it does, 1 loses & 1 wins. Comps have trouble with this pos. Sam Lloyd 21:37:39 04/03/04
  • Re: Hermann 0.3.2 found it and the newer and better version did NOT Jorge Pichard 01:33:01 04/04/04
    • Where is your analysis? Qf8 loses, Kh7 draws.. Sam Lloyd 07:24:39 04/04/04

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