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Subject: Re: Crafty against humans

Author: Derek Paquette

Date: 23:28:55 04/04/04

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On April 04, 2004 at 19:49:15, Telmo C. Escobar wrote:

>
> Browsing the file with all Crafty's games at ICC, 2003, I find 927 games
>against grandmaster Jesus Nogueiras. The resul:
>
> Crafty 769 - Nogueiras 158
>
> Nogueiras won 34 games.
>
> These games were blitz, mostly 5+0 and 5+3, a few of them 3+0: a very favorable
>time control for the engine.
>
> Yet I wonder if many top GMs would be capable to beat Crafty in a match at
>normal time controls. Crafty seems to be slightly weaker than current top
>commercial engines, but its "style" of play could be particularly difficult to
>cope with for humans.
Excellent numbers for the program,

However,
I have heard a lot as of late about programs styles helping it against humans
and I do not believe this to be a true statment.

If we are too look at Shredder 8 the current top program vs other programs and
say a formidable known 'anti human' program such as Junior 8, we see that while
their styles differ, the result is one sided.
In each and every tournament run on this board, Shredder 8 has come out on top,
beating junior and a vast variety of other programs along with it.

So what does this mean exactly?  As simplified as possible, Shredder 8 can
compete and win vs a wide variety of STYLES.

So when faced against a human, it would logically (based on its performance
against other programs, who all have different styles, and even personality
settings) would be able to deliver a win.  It seems to be able to deal with
whatever style is thrown at it.  Perhaps against some styles is does not as
good, but overall it still beats all competition, and all styles.

So to sum it up, i don't think it matters if its human or not, regardless of the
series of moves over thousands of games, it has always come out on top,



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