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Subject: Re: Silent moderation

Author: steven blincoe

Date: 09:52:40 04/05/04

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Hi Bob
>
>Although the referenced article is intrinsically interesting, I wonder whether
>or not it is appropriate to this forum.  This forum, CCC, was set up,
>presumably, to make a home for people interested in creating and testing chess
>software.

no i dont think  so
the charter mentions all aspect's  of computer chess
the fact that most of the postings are about chess programming is more a
reflection of current interest in the chess world rather then why the forum was
created

most of my postings are about old dedicated chess computers
i never read or post anything about PC Chess programming
indeed i know very little about PC chess or to be honest do i have any interest
in it

do you consider my postings about old chess computers"off topic"?

Steve
>
>One could reasonably argue that discussion of chess servers IS appropriate since
>chess programs being produced by members of CCC are tested on chess servers.
>Indeed, opening repertoires are developed for chess-playing programs by letting
>them play games, with "opening learning" enabled, to optimize the opening
>repertoires for the specific programs.  Indeed, there are even computer chess
>tournaments being conducted on chess servers as this is being written!  So,
>discussion of chess servers is appropriate at CCC.
>
>People who create chess-playing programs should be interested in how their
>products are being used.  If a programmer does not wish his program to be used
>in a certain way or for a certain purpose, then the programmer may be able to
>modify his/her program to preclude the undesired uses.  This may or may not be
>possible or practical, but deserves consideration.
>
>People who write chess programs, such as Blitzin, have not yet discussed their
>programs here at CCC insofar as I recall.  Nevertheless, chess programs for use
>on chess servers such as Blitzin should, it seems to me, be a valid topic of
>discussion here at CCC if a programmer of such a program chose to post bulletins
>about it here.
>
>Technical discussions of the technical interractions between user chess software
>and chess server chess software should be allowed here at CCC IMHO.
>
>The behaviors labeled "computer cheating" do fit into the general topic of the
>above paragraph.  If discussed in a rational responsible manner, there should be
>no problem with such discussions assuming that they were aimed at identifying
>and solving problems of interest to chess computer programmers "of the CCC
>kind."
>
>There is a real problem with discussion of "cheating" at CCC.  The term
>"cheating" is a "hot button" word [like "Damn!"] which illicits irrational
>emotional responses from otherwise sensible responsible individuals.  I suspect
>that most members of CCC would much prefer to keep emotional, moralistic,
>political, religious, and otherwise objectionable topics out of CCC and relegate
>them to CTF.  [Almost anything goes at CTF.]
>
>So far as I can tell, the "computer cheating" thread has contained exactly ZERO
>technical content and serves no useful purpose here at CCC.  My advice to those
>contributing such articles is "Shape up or ship out!"  We do not need rabble
>rousers here at CCC.
>
>IMHO.
>
>Bob D.



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