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Subject: Re: which 6 man tablebases are the most important?

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 12:30:03 04/05/04

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On April 03, 2004 at 04:00:00, Uri Blass wrote:

>On April 03, 2004 at 00:26:52, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On April 02, 2004 at 19:56:13, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On April 02, 2004 at 19:43:11, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 02, 2004 at 19:20:11, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 02, 2004 at 19:15:35, Sune Fischer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I think Chessbase and Fritz is the most widely known combination of software, at
>>>>>>>>least here in Denmark among club players.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How many copies did fritz sell?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Chessmaster like 6 million or so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Forget it. Chessmaster is number 1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hard to say without knowing how much fritz sells.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Among the more serious chess players I'm quite sure chessbase is the big seller,
>>>>>>the database tools are very important to many.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just go to the net and see how many game collections you can download in
>>>>>>chessbase format. It's crawling with them!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Then somewhere in a dark gray room at playchess you'll find a few chessbase
>>>>>>>fans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Only because chessbase hasn't made it possible for them to connect to ICS. They
>>>>>>want to be confined to their own server instead of spreading them out all over,
>>>>>>let's just agree to be thankful for that :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You won't believe how many times I've explain they should start out with the
>>>>>>>>strong winboard engines which they can download _for free_.
>>>>>>>>-S.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No one gets that to work except a few dudes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Like 99.999% of the population will not get winboard engines to work even if you
>>>>>>>make a video how to do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, I always recommed they use Arena, it's much easier to install engines for
>>>>>>the novice user.
>>>>>
>>>>>Even if you make a video how to do it, they won't manage it.
>>>>>
>>>>>After a few months they will unhappily email you that your product never worked.
>>>>>
>>>>>Assuming you earn nothing on Arena, that is a very difficult helpdesk you must
>>>>>provide for every product 'sold'. Imagine that for each product sold you must
>>>>>answer 10 questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>No one can do that at a profit at the prices such software has.
>>>>>
>>>>>Arena is of course not having a chance to get used by many people.
>>>>>
>>>>>Perhaps 0.00001% of the total chess product users.
>>>>
>>>>0.00001% means 1 out of 10,000,000.
>>>>I doubt if there are 10,000,000 chess product users in the world when I am sure
>>>>that there are more than 1000 people who use arena.
>>>
>>>If you make it 1 out of 1 million daily users of Arena i'm sure it's a correct
>>>estimate. Of course vaste majority of users who use 'a chess product' will not
>>>daily use it at all.
>>
>>Having done software support, I have to agree with Vincent.
>>People will have a terrible, terrible time with anything requiring more than a
>>couple clicks to "Yes".
>
>I believe that there are people with problems to do simple things but
>I do not believe that almost everybody has that problem.

And yet I am very sure of it.  Probably, one of us is mistaken.

>>Forget about editing an ini file.  It sounds so simple, but one person in 1000
>>will be comfortable doing that.
>
>I think that more than 1 out of 1000.

Possibly, I just picked that number out of the air.  But I have even found
professional computer programmers that never venture out from their IDE

>If people are not comfortable with changing ini file in order to use the program
>then it means that the they do not really need the program.

I have literally hundreds of professional programs that do not ask me to edit
any ini file.  Does that mean that I did not need them?

>It is a pity that people are busy in selling people programs that they do not
>need.

I think that your statement that they do not need them is not correct and
therefore your conclusion does not follow.



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