Author: James T. Walker
Date: 08:46:19 12/13/98
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On December 13, 1998 at 08:49:32, Mark Young wrote: >On December 13, 1998 at 07:53:25, Micheal Cummings wrote: > >> >>On December 13, 1998 at 07:45:23, James T. Walker wrote: >> >>>On December 13, 1998 at 07:02:58, Micheal Cummings wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>On December 13, 1998 at 06:53:03, James T. Walker wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 12, 1998 at 19:44:16, Mark Young wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On December 12, 1998 at 19:29:56, Robert Wilkins wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> How much stronger would CM6000 play on a PII 350 compared to my P233 MMX. ALso >>>>>>>is there a way I can increase its potential with any outside add-ons that might >>>>>>>be available (opening books - endgame table bases - etc) >>>>>> >>>>>>Any P II chip will run CM6000 faster. CM6000 is a 32bit program, the P233 MMX >>>>>>will not take advantage of the 32bit program. So the P II will be much faster >>>>>>Mhz vs Mhz. The AMD K6-2 will also be about the same as a P II Mhz vs Mhz >>>>>>running CM6000 from what I hear. To answer you question the P II 350 should be >>>>>>around 2x faster then a P233 MMX running CM6000, so it may be 70 elo points or >>>>>>so stronger. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. >>>>>Hello Mark, >>>>>Can I get a second opinion on this ? I thought even a 486 was a 32 bit machine. >>>>>I know the PII has MMX technology but I so does his P233/MMX. So the major >>>>>difference as I understand is only the L1 cache is doubled on the PII which will >>>>>make chess programs run a little faster. >>>>>Jim Walker >>>> >>>>You are right Jim, but as I understand it, it is the operating system that makes >>>>something 32 bit. And the program, not just the chip >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Hello Michael, >>>Yes, well that's my point. If he is running Win98 on a Pentium 233 MMX then the >>>only difference will be the L1 cache. That will provide some improvement but >>>not major. >>>Jim Walker >> >>Yes NT on an old 486 was 32 bit, I think what he is saying that true 32 bit only >>comes with PII chip technology. And I have never read anywhere that CM6K was >>even optimized for a PII chip. So I do not understand what he mean when an MMX >>chip will not take advantage of the 32 bit programming, that is totally wrong >>saying that. >> >>Not just Win98, Win95 for that matter will run 32 bit for CM6K. > >To make it clear, the chip itself must be optimized to take advantage of a 32 >bit program. The pentium, pentiumMMX, Cyrix 686, K5 AMD, and 486, are not >optimized to run 32 bit programs. They will run them but not any faster then 16 >bit programs. The pentium pro, Pentium two, K6, are optimized for 32 bit >programs and you should see a nice performence gain if you go from a 16 bit >version of a program to a 32 bit version of that program. If you don't have an >optimized chip you will see little or no gain. This can be tested out with Fritz >5.32 If anyone has it running on a P200-233MMx chip and they also have Fritz >5.16. See if Fritz 5.32 is running faster by testing some positions with it. I >bet you will see little speed difference in the two versions. On a P II you will >see a big difference. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, thanks for the info. I was not aware of that. I assumed that a 32 bit processor would automatically be optimized for 32 bit programs and anything else ie.. 16 bit programs would not benefit from the 32 bit architecture. I would sure like to see a test of this and find out what the difference actually is. Thanks again, Jim Walker
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