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Subject: Re: Humans still find inevitable attacks better,test position needs analysis

Author: John Merlino

Date: 09:55:08 04/09/04

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On April 08, 2004 at 23:46:12, Dan Ellwein wrote:

>On April 08, 2004 at 23:39:50, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>On April 08, 2004 at 22:15:00, scott farrell wrote:
>>
>>>This position arose on ICC Goona vs Chompsterx
>>>
>>>here white has an attack coming, with a bishop sac on g6, and black's pieces are
>>>woefully out of position to defend. While white can poure more pieces in.
>>>
>>>The obvious move is g6, but chompster and crafty see black is still winning
>>>until some depth, where they realise white is winning.
>>>
>>>I had cm9000 look at it for a few minutes on a PIII850 and it still says g6, but
>>>says white is winning by the smallest of margins.
>>>
>>>As far as I can see its lost for black.
>>>
>>>I am interested in what other engines think.
>>>
>>>[d]r4rk1/p2b1ppp/1qn2P2/3pP3/2pP4/b1P1BN1P/P1B2Q2/R4NK1 b - - 0 23
>>>
>>>as you can see below crafty takes about 12 plies to see its in trouble, and 14
>>>plies and overnight to see ne7.
>>>
>>>I am unsure if ne7 is a better move
>>
>>The CM_SKR personality of Chessmaster 9000, on an AMD 1800+, switches from g6 to
>>Ne7 in about 90 seconds.
>>
>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>0:00	1/3	-1.60	2528		23...g6 24.Rb1 Bb2 25.Ba4
>>0:00	1/4	-1.71	24215		23...g6 24.Rb1 Qa5 25.Bh6 Qxc3
>>					26.Bxf8 Rxf8
>>0:00	1/5	-1.58	74717		23...g6 24.Bh6 Rfb8 25.Ne3 Qa5
>>0:00	1/6	-1.65	111608		23...g6 24.Qh4 h5 25.Rb1 Bb2 26.Ba4
>>0:01	1/7	-0.85	202273		23...g6 24.Qh4 Rfb8 25.Ng5 h5 26.e6
>>					Be8 27.exf7+ Bxf7 28.Nxf7 Kxf7
>>0:03	1/8	-1.19	518286		23...g6 24.Qh4 Rfb8 25.Ng5 h5 26.e6
>>					Bxe6 27.Nxe6 Qb2 28.Rc1 fxe6 29.Bxg6
>>
>>0:07	1/9	0.30	1307872		23...g6 24.Qh4 Rfc8 25.Bxg6 fxg6
>>					26.f7+ Kxf7 27.Qxh7+ Ke8 28.Qg8+
>>					Bf8 29.Bh6 Kd8 30.Qxf8+ Kc7
>>1:03	1/10	0.64	12174030	23...g6 24.Qh4 Rfb8 25.Bxg6 fxg6
>>					26.f7+ Kxf7 27.Qxh7+ Ke8 28.Qg8+
>>					Bf8 29.Bh6 Bxh3 30.Qxf8+ Kd7 31.Qd6+
>>					Kc8 32.Qxd5 Qa6
>>1:32	1/10	0.26	19539768	23...Ne7 24.Bc1 Qa6 25.Bxa3 Qxa3
>>					26.fxe7 Qxe7 27.Ne3 Be6 28.Qh4
>>					Qxh4 29.Nxh4 Rab8 30.Rb1 Rxb1+
>>					31.Bxb1 Rb8
>>3:16	1/11	0.60	44098576	23...Ne7 24.Bc1 Bxc1 25.fxe7 Rfe8
>>					26.Rxc1 h6 27.Ne3 Qa5 28.Rb1 Bc6
>>					29.Ng4 Rxe7
>>
>>jm
>
>The CM_OFFSET personality of Chessmaster 9000, on an P3 850, switches from g6 to
>Ne7 in about 6 minutes.
>
>Then at about 28 minutes realizes that black is not winning...
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:00	1/3	-2.35	3075		1...Bb2 2.Qh4 g6 3.Qh6
>0:00	1/3	-2.61	4706		1...Qb2 2.fxg7 Qxa1 3.gxf8=Q+ Rxf8
>					4.Qh4
>0:00	1/4	-0.91	19069		1...Qb2 2.Bxh7+ Kh8 3.Qh4 g5 4.Qxg5
>0:00	1/4	-2.54	21234		1...g6 2.Qh4 h5 3.Rb1
>0:00	1/5	-2.44	57482		1...g6 2.Qh4 h5 3.Rb1 Bb2 4.Ba4
>0:01	1/6	-2.53	103363		1...g6 2.Qh4 Rfb8 3.Ng5 h5 4.e6
>					Be8 5.exf7+ Bxf7 6.Nxf7 Kxf7
>0:03	1/7	-2.35	233345		1...g6 2.Rb1 Qa5 3.Qh4 Rfb8 4.Qh6
>					Bf8
>0:10	1/8	-2.73	878303		1...g6 2.Qh4 Rfb8 3.Ng5 h5 4.e6
>					Bxe6 5.Nxe6 Qb2 6.Rc1 fxe6 7.Bxg6
>0:19	1/9	-2.20	1686037		1...g6 2.Qh4 Rfb8 3.Bxg6 fxg6 4.f7+
>					Kxf7 5.Qxh7+ Ke8 6.Qh8+ Bf8 7.Bh6
>					Bxh3 8.Qxf8+ Kd7
>1:20	1/10	-1.14	7158345		1...g6 2.Qh4 Rfb8 3.Ng5 h5 4.Nxf7
>					Qb2 5.Bxg6 Bxh3 6.Qxh3 Qxa1 7.Qxh5
>6:03	1/10	-1.31	33217927	1...Ne7 2.Ng5 h6 3.Nh7 Rfd8 4.fxg7
>					Kxg7 5.Nf6 Kh8 6.Nxd7 Rxd7 7.Qxf7
>					Rg8+ 8.Kh2
>14:32	1/11	-1.31	80860146	1...Ne7 2.Ng5 h6 3.Nh7 Rfd8 4.fxg7
>					Kxg7 5.Nf6 Kh8 6.Nxd7 Rxd7 7.Qxf7
>					Rg8+ 8.Kh2
>28:00	1/12	-0.98	155400611	1...Ne7 2.Ng5 h6 3.Nh7 Rfd8 4.fxg7
>					Kxg7 5.Nf6 Ng6 6.Nh5+ Kg8 7.Nf6+
>					Kh8 8.Nxd5 Qe6
>Dan

CM_SKR on my comp sees that Black is not winning in 7 seconds....

jm



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