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Subject: Re: A FEG technical article?

Author: John Merlino

Date: 13:57:12 04/09/04

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On April 09, 2004 at 16:20:12, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On April 09, 2004 at 15:31:41, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>On April 09, 2004 at 15:09:29, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>On April 09, 2004 at 13:52:16, John Merlino wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 09, 2004 at 13:43:10, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 09, 2004 at 13:38:30, John Merlino wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On April 09, 2004 at 13:33:36, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On April 09, 2004 at 12:56:58, John Merlino wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On April 09, 2004 at 02:24:36, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On April 09, 2004 at 00:35:43, Les Fernandez wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Is anyone aware of any study that has been done regarding the "time" thats
>>>>>>>>>>needed to generate endgame table bases?  Eugene would probably be the best one
>>>>>>>>>>to consult with since he appears to be the "authority on this subject" but I am
>>>>>>>>>>interested to hear from anyone.  Certainly it is important that the times are
>>>>>>>>>>all based on same hardware.  I am interested in studying the times it takes to
>>>>>>>>>>do each tablebase.  By each tablebase I mean each individual one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>According to my understanding the ChessMaster FEG tablebase files are faster to
>>>>>>>>>generate and require less memory.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I do not know if they can produce the statistics that you are interested in,
>>>>>>>>>however.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes, they can. The FEG utility can perform a summary of all files generated on
>>>>>>>>your computer, and this includes the time it took to generate them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Is the format public?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Can other engines use the tables?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, if they had the format. :-)
>>>>>>But for now, Johan is keeping it to himself.
>>>>>
>>>>>Well then, I think we have the answer to the question:
>>>>>"WHy aren't people using the FEG format instead of Nalimov."
>>>>>... Because Nalimov format is the only sensible choice.  It makes the previous
>>>>>and tedious debate seem extremely silly to me now.
>>>>
>>>>I knew that.... ;-)
>>>>
>>>>Although I think the intended point of the debate was to determine which format
>>>>was "better", rather than which format should people be using. But, sadly, like
>>>>many CCC debates, I don't think anything remotely close to a consensus was
>>>>reached.
>>>>
>>>>Isn't computer chess fun??!
>>>
>>>No matter how you slice it:
>>>"We ought to be using this unobtainable format!"
>>>is silly.
>>
>>No question. But that statement can quickly turn into a "Please make this format
>>obtainable!" thread, which I'm sure Johan would at the very least pay attention
>>to.
>
>A technical article would be even better.
>Hint, hint.
>Nudge, nudge.
>Know what I mean?

I think Johan will (possibly) take it from here.

jm



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