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Subject: Re: Some new hyper-threading info.

Author: Joachim Rang

Date: 03:05:15 04/15/04

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On April 14, 2004 at 22:49:39, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>I just finished some HT on / HT off tests to see how things have changed in
>Crafty since some of the recent NUMA-related memory changes that were made.
>
>Point 1.  HT now speeds Crafty up between 5 and 10% max.  A year ago this was
>30%.  What did I learn?  Nothing new.  Memory waits benefit HT.  Eugene and I
>worked on removing several shared memory interactions which led to better cache
>utilization, less cache invalidates (very slow) and improved performance a good
>bit.  But at the same time, now HT doesn't have the excessive memory waits it
>had before and so the speedup is not as good.
>
>Point 2.  HT now actually slows things down due to SMP overhead.  IE I lose 30%
>per CPU, roughly, due to SMP overhead.  HT now only gives 5-10% back.  This is a
>net loss.  I am now running my dual with HT disabled...
>
>More as I get more data...  Here is two data points however:
>
>pos1.  cpus=2 (no HT)  NPS = 2.07M  time=18.13
>       cpus=4          NPS = 2.08M  time=28.76
>
>pos2.  cpus=2          NPS = 1.87M  time=58.48
>       cpus=4          NPS = 2.01M  time=66.00
>
>First pos HT helps almost none in NPS, costs 10 seconds in search overhead.
>Ugly.  Position 2 gives about 5% more nps, but again the SMP overhead washes
>that out and there is a net loss.  I should run the speedup tests several times,
>but the NPS numbers don't change much, and the speedup could change.  But this
>offers enough..


In a german Board someone postetd figures for the Fritzmark of Fritz 8. Fritz
gains still 25% form HT (in this specific position)

cpus=2    NPS = 2.35
cpus=4    NPS = 2,95

I have unfortunately no information about search time.

Does that mean Fritz 8 is poorly optimized?

regards Joachim



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