Author: Mark Young
Date: 11:05:26 04/16/04
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On April 16, 2004 at 10:54:12, Stephen Ham wrote: >On April 16, 2004 at 09:00:36, Jorge Pichard wrote: > >>First it was Deep Fritz against Kramnik then Deep Junior versus Kasparov, >>nothing but to boring draw matches. It is about time for us to see the strongest >>chess program Shredder 8 accomplishing what Deep Blue did back in 1997 against >>Kasparov. >> >>Jorge > >Jorge, > >I think that you're forgetting that the strongest engine in engine versus engine >contests (Shredder 8) isn't, as a consequence, the strongest versus humans. >That's why Rebel probably has the best record against humans of any engine to >date. I've read that Crafty scores well against us too. This maybe correct...but I don't think so. More data needed. I am not sure your claim is correct that Rebel has the best record to date of any engine. I am sure Junior, Hiarcs, Chess Tiger, and the Fritz will argue this point with you. I am not sure what you mean by the best record against humans. Chess Tiger 14, Hiarcs 8, Junior 6, Fritz 8 have all had 2700+ PR playing against humans. Junior 8 and Deep Fritz 8 have a 2800+ PR playing humans. As far as I know Shredder 7.04 or Shredder 8. The top programs on the SSDF list don't have any GM games played to data. So to make the statement that: "the strongest engine in engine versus engine contests (Shredder 8) isn't, as a consequence, the strongest versus humans." This statement has no basis in fact. This is pure speculation. > >There's many reasons for this. For example, in engine versus engine contests, it >seems that search speed is the most important element. But this is far less >important against humans, since even the slowest of the top 50-engines can >compute far faster than any human. So increasing dominance in area where engines >are already nearly totally dominant, really adds minimal value. > >So if I had to bet money on which engine would most likley defeat humans, my >money is on Rebel. > >Stephen
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