Author: Mark Young
Date: 13:15:03 04/16/04
Go up one level in this thread
On April 16, 2004 at 16:05:45, Drexel,Michael wrote: >On April 16, 2004 at 15:09:01, Stephen Ham wrote: > >>On April 16, 2004 at 14:05:26, Mark Young wrote: >> >>>On April 16, 2004 at 10:54:12, Stephen Ham wrote: >>> >>>>On April 16, 2004 at 09:00:36, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>> >>>>>First it was Deep Fritz against Kramnik then Deep Junior versus Kasparov, >>>>>nothing but to boring draw matches. It is about time for us to see the strongest >>>>>chess program Shredder 8 accomplishing what Deep Blue did back in 1997 against >>>>>Kasparov. >>>>> >>>>>Jorge >>>> >>>>Jorge, >>>> >>>>I think that you're forgetting that the strongest engine in engine versus engine >>>>contests (Shredder 8) isn't, as a consequence, the strongest versus humans. >>>>That's why Rebel probably has the best record against humans of any engine to >>>>date. I've read that Crafty scores well against us too. >>> >>>This maybe correct...but I don't think so. More data needed. >>> >>>I am not sure your claim is correct that Rebel has the best record to date of >>>any engine. I am sure Junior, Hiarcs, Chess Tiger, and the Fritz will argue this >>>point with you. >>> >>>I am not sure what you mean by the best record against humans. >>> >>>Chess Tiger 14, Hiarcs 8, Junior 6, Fritz 8 have all had 2700+ PR playing >>>against humans. >>> >>>Junior 8 and Deep Fritz 8 have a 2800+ PR playing humans. >>> >>>As far as I know Shredder 7.04 or Shredder 8. The top programs on the SSDF list >>>don't have any GM games played to data. So to make the statement that: >>> >>>"the strongest engine in engine versus engine >>>contests (Shredder 8) isn't, as a consequence, the strongest versus humans." >>> >>>This statement has no basis in fact. This is pure speculation. >> >>Not at all, Mark. Again, Jorge was writing about matches against the best >>humans. Fritz and Junior and others have had their chances and the results were: >>draws. This was the point of Jorge's post. >> >>Instead, the engines you wrote about above gained their successes in tournament >>action. However, some of those engines failed in their match against Smirin. So >>in the context of matches, Rebel won all of its matches I believe, including >>those versus Anand and van Wely and other strong GM's. Since Rebel's victories >>were several years ago, then one presumes that the latest version should prove >>at least as strong against humans. > >This is completely wrong. >Anand won the "match" against Rebel with 1.5-0.5. > >Van Wely-Rebel ended 2-2 You are correct.... about the wely-rebel match. I am also sure he was talking about GM John van der Wiel vs Rebel match. But this makes Mr. Ham is wrong again in this statement. "Rebel won all of its matches I believe, including those versus Anand and van Wely and other strong GM's." > >Furthermore you can't compare the Rebel and Deep Blue matches with the recent >Kramnik-Fritz , Kasparov-Fritz&Junior matches. > >Times have changed. >Many programs are considerably stronger now. >OTOH the top players play stronger against computers as they did several years >ago because they are better prepared. > >Michael > >> >>Stephen
This page took 0.01 seconds to execute
Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700
Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.