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Subject: Re: Can any engine with book off do a better job than Shredder at diagnosing

Author: John Merlino

Date: 12:02:42 04/19/04

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On April 19, 2004 at 14:30:33, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On April 19, 2004 at 14:09:41, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>On April 19, 2004 at 13:49:12, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>... this position from the Evans Gambit?  Shredder has reduced the score to 0.13
>>>pawns and most engines I tried were much farther away from the true value.
>>>
>>>On the other hand, all the engines I did try eventually start a slow march
>>>downward with the score.  Some are wildly optimistic (thinking at first that
>>>they are two pawns ahead).
>>>
>>>[D]r1bqk1nr/pppp1ppp/2n5/b7/2BpP3/2P2N2/P4PPP/RNBQ1RK1 b kq - am dxc3; bm Nge7;
>>>
>>
>>Here is CM_SKR's output on an AMD 2500+:
>>
>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>0:00	1/3	-1.00	1730		1...dxc3 2.Qd5 Qe7 3.Na3
>>0:00	1/4	-1.22	7395		1...dxc3 2.Be3 d6 3.Na3 Nf6
>>0:00	1/5	-0.31	24166		1...dxc3 2.Qb3 Nf6 3.Bxf7+ Kf8
>>					4.Ng5 Ne5
>>0:00	1/6	-0.19	66819		1...dxc3 2.Qb3 d6 3.Nxc3 Bxc3 4.Qxc3
>>					Nf6 5.Bg5 O-O
>>0:00	1/6	-0.24	79779		1...Nf6 2.e5 Ne4 3.Qb3 O-O 4.cxd4
>>					d6
>>0:01	1/7	-0.20	209149		1...Nf6 2.e5 Ne4 3.cxd4 d5 4.exd6ep
>>					O-O
>>0:01	1/7	-0.35	329351		1...dxc3 2.Qb3 Nf6 3.Bxf7+ Kf8
>>					4.Ng5 h6 5.Ba3+ d6 6.Bg6
>>0:03	1/8	-0.28	750696		1...dxc3 2.Qb3 Qe7 3.Nxc3 Nf6 4.e5
>>					Nxe5 5.Nxe5 Qxe5 6.Bxf7+ Kd8 7.Bb2
>>0:08	1/9	-0.08	2056551		1...dxc3 2.Qb3 Qf6 3.Bg5 Qg6 4.Nxc3
>>					Nf6 5.e5 Nxe5 6.Nxe5 Qxg5 7.Nxf7
>>0:26	1/10	-0.08	6240835		1...dxc3 2.Qb3 Qf6 3.Bg5 Qg6 4.Nxc3
>>					Nf6 5.e5 Nxe5 6.Nxe5 Qxg5 7.Nxf7
>>0:38	1/10	-0.23	8997341		1...Nf6 2.e5 Ne4 3.Qe1 Nxc3 4.Bg5
>>					Nxb1 5.Qxb1 Ne7 6.Qb3
>>1:17	1/11	-0.06	18550374	1...Nf6 2.e5 Ne4 3.Qe1 Nxc3 4.Bg5
>>					Nxb1 5.Qxb1 Ne7 6.Qb3 d5 7.exd6ep
>>					Qxd6
>>3:56	1/12	-0.20	57431817	1...Nf6 2.e5 Ne4 3.Qe1 Nxc3 4.Bg5
>>					Nxb1 5.Qxb1 Ne7 6.Nxd4 d5 7.exd6ep
>>					Qxd6
>>8:56	1/13	-0.04	132545443	1...Nf6 2.e5 Ne4 3.Qe1 Nc5 4.Bg5
>>					Ne7 5.Nxd4 h6 6.Bxe7 Qxe7 7.Nf5 Qg5
>>
>>(Remember that, in the CM GUI, negative evals mean that Black is ahead).
>
>That is a very impressive result.  None of the engines I tried could find it
>even after a very long search.

Just for comparison, here's what the default settings say:

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	-1.17	1680		1...dxc3 2.Qd5 Qe7 3.Na3
0:00	1/4	-1.30	6641		1...dxc3 2.Be3 Nf6 3.Qb3
0:00	1/5	-0.39	22966		1...dxc3 2.Qc2 Nf6 3.Nxc3 O-O 4.Bb2
0:00	1/6	-0.39	68215		1...dxc3 2.Qb3 Nf6 3.Bxf7+ Kf8
					4.Ng5 h6 5.Bg6
0:02	1/7	-0.42	223841		1...dxc3 2.Qb3 Nf6 3.Nxc3 O-O 4.Bg5
					Bxc3 5.Qxc3 Nxe4 6.Bxd8 Nxc3 7.Bxc7
0:03	1/8	-0.28	607748		1...dxc3 2.Qb3 Nf6 3.Bxf7+ Kf8
					4.Bd5 Nxd5 5.exd5 c2 6.dxc6 cxb1=Q
					7.Rxb1 dxc6
0:10	1/9	-0.23	2191564		1...dxc3 2.Qb3 Nf6 3.Ng5 Qe7 4.Ba3
					d6 5.Bxf7+ Kd8 6.Nxc3 Nd4
0:28	1/10	-0.25	6481554		1...dxc3 2.Qb3 Qf6 3.e5 Qg6 4.Nxc3
					Nge7 5.Be3 O-O 6.Rad1 d6 7.exd6
					cxd6
1:07	2/11	-0.13	15877680	1...dxc3 2.Qb3 Qf6 3.e5 Qg6 4.Nxc3
					Nge7 5.Bf4 O-O 6.Rfd1 Bb6 7.Rab1
2:28	2/11	-0.29	35214495	1...Nf6 2.cxd4 Nxe4 3.d5 Ne7 4.Qd4
					Nd6 5.Qxg7 Rg8 6.Qd4 Nxc4 7.Qxc4
6:24	3/12	-0.42	94618938	1...Nf6 2.cxd4 Nxe4 3.d5 Ne7 4.Qd4
					Nd6 5.Qxg7 Rg8 6.Qd4 Bb6 7.Qd3
					Nxc4 8.Qxc4
15:03	4/13	-0.26	231312138	1...Nf6 2.e5 Ne4 3.Qe1 Nxc3 4.Bg5
					Nxb1 5.Qxb1 f6 6.exf6 gxf6 7.Qf5 d5

jm



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