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Subject: Re: Can any engine with book off do a better job than Shredder at diagnosing

Author: Dan Ellwein

Date: 18:56:15 04/19/04

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On April 19, 2004 at 13:49:12, Dann Corbit wrote:

>... this position from the Evans Gambit?  Shredder has reduced the score to 0.13
>pawns and most engines I tried were much farther away from the true value.
>
>On the other hand, all the engines I did try eventually start a slow march
>downward with the score.  Some are wildly optimistic (thinking at first that
>they are two pawns ahead).
>
>[D]r1bqk1nr/pppp1ppp/2n5/b7/2BpP3/2P2N2/P4PPP/RNBQ1RK1 b kq - am dxc3; bm Nge7;
>
>Analysis from E:\tough.epd
>4/17/2004 12:04:45 AM Level: 40000 Seconds
>Analyzing engine: Shredder 7.04 UCI
>
>1) Nge7;
>    Searching move: Ng8-e7
>    Best move (Shredder 7.04 UCI): d4xc3
>    Not found in: 11:06:40
>    2   00:00  0.53   Ng8f6 Nf3g5
>    3   00:00  0.63   Ng8f6 e4e5 d7d5 e5xd6/ep Qd8xd6 c3xd4
>    4   00:00  0.37   Ng8f6 c3xd4 Nf6xe4 Bc1a3
>    4   00:00  0.49   d4xc3 Qd1b3
>    5   00:00  0.49   d4xc3 Qd1b3
>    6   00:00  0.49   d4xc3 Qd1b3
>    6+  00:00  0.50   Ng8f6 e4e5 Nf6e4 Bc1a3 Ne4xc3 Qd1xd4 Nc6xd4
>    6   00:00  0.51   Ng8f6 Nf3xd4 Nc6e5 Bc4b3 Nf6xe4 Rf1e1
>    7   00:00  0.52   Ng8f6 e4e5 Nf6e4 Qd1b3 00 c3xd4 d7d6
>    8   00:00  0.67   Ng8f6 Nf3xd4 00 Bc1a3 Rf8e8 f2f3 d7d6 Nd4xc6 b7xc6
>    9   00:01  0.45   Ng8f6 e4e5 d7d5 Bc4b5 Nf6e4 Bb5xc6+ b7xc6 Qd1a4 Ba5xc3
>Nb1xc3 Ne4xc3 Qa4xc6+ Bc8d7
>    9   00:01  0.49   d4xc3 Qd1b3
>   10   00:01  0.49   d4xc3 Qd1b3
>   11   00:01  0.49   d4xc3 Qd1b3
>   12   00:02  0.49   d4xc3 Qd1b3
>   13   00:04  0.49   d4xc3 Qd1b3
>   14   00:06  0.49   d4xc3 Qd1b3
>   15   00:12  0.49   d4xc3 Qd1b3
>   16   04:19  0.48   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ng8f6 Bg5xf6 Qg6xf6
>Nc3d5 Qf6d8 Qb3a3 d7d6 Nf3d4 Nc6xd4 Qa3xa5
>   17   12:52  0.49   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ng8f6 Bg5xf6 Qg6xf6
>Nc3d5 Qf6d8 Qb3a3 d7d6 Bc4b5 00 Bb5xc6 b7xc6 Qa3xa5
>   18   23:07  0.35   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3 Ng8f6
>Ra1e1 00 Bc4d3 h7h6 e4e5 Nf6d5 Qc3c2 Nd5b4 Bd3xg6 Nb4xc2 Bg6xc2 h6xg5
>   19   47:27  0.35   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3 Ng8f6
>Rf1e1 00 Bc4d3 h7h6 e4e5 Nf6d5 Qc3c4 Nd5b6 Qc4c2 Qg6h5 Bg5h4
>   20   1:45:35  0.34   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3 Ng8f6
>e4e5 Nf6e4 Qc3e3 00 Bc4d3 d7d5 e5xd6/ep Rf8e8 Rf1e1
>   21   3:55:11  0.26   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ng8f6 e4e5 d7d5
>e5xf6 d5xc4 Rf1e1+ Ke8f8 Qb3b2 h7h6 Nc3d5
>   22   9:19:02  0.13   d4xc3 Qd1b3 Qd8f6 Bc1g5 Qf6g6 Nb1xc3 Ba5xc3 Qb3xc3 Ng8f6
>e4e5 Nf6e4 Qc3e3 00 Bc4d3 f7f5 e5xf6/ep d7d5 f6xg7 Rf8f7 Ra1b1
>   4/17/2004 11:11:33 AM, Time for this analysis: 11:06:42, Rated time: 11:06:40
>
>0 of 1 matching moves
>4/17/2004 11:11:34 AM, Total time: 11:06:48 AM
>Rated time: 11:06:40 = 40000 Seconds

hi Dann

CM9_OffSet after 5 hours of analyzing likes dxc3...

P3/850


Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
----	----	----	----		----
0:00	1/3	-2.36	1834		1...dxc3 2.Qd5 Qe7 3.Be3
0:00	1/4	-2.50	8827		1...dxc3 2.Qd3 Qf6 3.Bg5
0:00	1/5	-1.97	32451		1...dxc3 2.Qb3 Nf6 3.Nxc3 O-O
0:01	1/6	-1.89	90736		1...dxc3 2.Qb3 Nf6 3.Nxc3 Bxc3
					4.Qxc3 O-O 5.Bb2 d6
0:02	1/7	-1.84	175431		1...dxc3 2.Qb3 Qf6 3.Bg5 Nd4 4.Nxd4
					Qxg5 5.Bxf7+ Kf8 6.Bxg8 Rxg8 7.Nxc3
0:05	1/8	-1.89	457273		1...dxc3 2.Qb3 Nf6 3.Nxc3 Bxc3
					4.Qxc3 O-O 5.Bb2 d6 6.Rab1 Be6
0:15	1/9	-1.89	1405639		1...dxc3 2.Qb3 Nf6 3.Nxc3 Bxc3
					4.Qxc3 O-O 5.Bb2 d6 6.Rab1 Be6
1:08	1/10	-2.19	6167860		1...dxc3 2.Qb3 Nf6 3.Nxc3 Bxc3
					4.Qxc3 O-O 5.e5 Ne4 6.Qe3 d5 7.Ba3
					Re8
3:26	1/11	-2.19	19312997	1...dxc3 2.Qb3 Nf6 3.Nxc3 Bxc3
					4.Qxc3 O-O 5.e5 Ne4 6.Qe3 d5 7.Ba3
					Re8
11:02	1/12	-2.22	63873458	1...dxc3 2.Qb3 Nf6 3.e5 d5 4.exf6
					dxc4 5.fxg7 Rg8 6.Re1+ Ne7 7.Qxc4
					Be6 8.Qa4+ Nc6
34:32	1/13	-2.21	203738773	1...dxc3 2.Qb3 Nf6 3.e5 d5 4.exf6
					dxc4 5.fxg7 Rg8 6.Re1+ Ne7 7.Qa3
					b6 8.Bg5 Be6 9.Bf6
1:22:37	2/14	-2.11	509390720	1...dxc3 2.Qb3 Nf6 3.e5 d5 4.exf6
					dxc4 5.fxg7 Rg8 6.Re1+ Ne7 7.Qa3
					b6 8.Bg5 Be6 9.Bf6 c2 10.Nc3 c5
5:32:29	3/15	-2.08	1818812313	1...dxc3 2.Qb3 Nf6 3.e5 d5 4.exf6
					dxc4 5.fxg7 Rg8 6.Re1+ Ne7 7.Qa3
					b6 8.Bg5 Be6 9.Bf6 Qd6 10.Qa4+ Bd7
Dan



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