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Subject: Re: Fine #70 and hash bug(s) (warning: long post)

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 19:50:56 04/19/04

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On April 19, 2004 at 15:49:14, Andrew Williams wrote:

>On April 18, 2004 at 19:56:25, Andrew Wagner wrote:
>
>Try searching longer. PM is getting this at ply 27 (78kns, 0.76 seconds) at the
>moment, although I've seen it return the correct move at various different plies
>over the years.
>
>Andrew

Something might be wrong.  It is a 26 ply combination to win a pawn, with no
hash table at all...  Hashing usually lets us hit the solution quicker.  IE
Crafty typically solves it at depth=18...


>
>>     Ok, I've been banging my head against this one all day. This is Fine #70:
>>[d]8/k7/3p4/p2P1p2/P2P1P2/8/8/K7 w - -
>>
>>     Below is Trueno's output for the position. Of course, the correct result is
>>+1.8 (Trueno counts pawns as .9) with the best move of Kb1. It finds that but
>>then changes its mind. I've been told that this position is generally infamous
>>for catching hash bugs. Anyone have any suggestions how to attack this one? Null
>>move is off, and I'm evaluating material only, using a single replace-always
>>hash table. Any suggestions would be VERY much appreciated). Andrew
>>
>>           -------------------------------
>>        8 | . | . | . | . | . | . | . | . |
>>          |-------------------------------|
>>        7 | k | . | . | . | . | . | . | . |
>>          |-------------------------------|
>>        6 | . | . | . | p | . | . | . | . |
>>          |-------------------------------|
>>        5 | p | . | . | P | . | p | . | . |
>>          |-------------------------------|
>>        4 | P | . | . | P | . | P | . | . |
>>          |-------------------------------|
>>        3 | . | . | . | . | . | . | . | . |
>>          |-------------------------------|
>>        2 | . | . | . | . | . | . | . | . |
>>          |-------------------------------|
>>        1 | K | . | . | . | . | . | . | . |
>>           -------------------------------
>>            A   B   C   D   E   F   G   H
>>
>>Fifty: 0  En Passant: 0
>>Castle: 0000
>>Ply: 0  To move: True
>>
>>
>>1. Score: .9; Time: 0; nodes: 4; PV: a1-b2
>>2. Score: .9; Time: 0; nodes: 15; PV: a1-b2 a7-b6
>>3. Score: .9; Time: 0; nodes: 48; PV: a1-b2 a7-b6 b2-c3
>>4. Score: .9; Time: 0; nodes: 111; PV: a1-b2 a7-b6 b2-c3 b6-c7
>>5. Score: .9; Time: 0; nodes: 231; PV: a1-b2 a7-b6 b2-c3 b6-c7 c3-c4
>>6. Score: .9; Time: 0; nodes: 408; PV: a1-b2 a7-b6 b2-c3 b6-c7 c3-c4 c7-d7
>>7. Score: .9; Time: 0; nodes: 671; PV: a1-b2 a7-b6 b2-c3 b6-c7 c3-c4 c7-d7 c4-d3
>>8. Score: .9; Time: 0; nodes: 1003; PV: a1-b2 a7-b6 b2-c3 b6-c7 c3-c4 c7-d7
>>c4-d3 d7-e7
>>9. Score: .9; Time: 0; nodes: 1443; PV: a1-b2 a7-b6 b2-c3 b6-c7 c3-c4 c7-d7
>>c4-d3 d7-e7 d3-c4
>>10. Score: .9; Time: 0; nodes: 1968; PV: a1-b2 a7-b6 b2-c3 b6-c7 c3-c4 c7-d7
>>c4-d3 d7-e7 d3-c4 e7-d7
>>11. Score: .9; Time: 0; nodes: 2735; PV: a1-b2 a7-b6 b2-c3 b6-c7 c3-c4 c7-d7
>>c4-d3 d7-e7 d3-c4 e7-d7 c4-d3
>>12. Score: .9; Time: 0; nodes: 3522; PV: a1-b2 a7-b6 b2-c3 b6-c7 c3-c4 c7-d7
>>c4-d3 d7-e7 d3-c4 e7-d7 c4-d3 d7-e7
>>13. Score: .9; Time: 0; nodes: 4416; PV: a1-b2 a7-b6 b2-c3 b6-c7 c3-c4 c7-d7
>>c4-d3 d7-e7 d3-c4 e7-d7 c4-d3 d7-e7 d3-c4
>>14. Score: .9; Time: 1; nodes: 5410; PV: a1-b2 a7-b6 b2-c3 b6-c7 c3-c4 c7-d7
>>c4-d3 d7-e7 d3-c4 e7-d7 c4-d3 d7-e7 d3-c4 e7-d7
>>15. Score: .9; Time: 1; nodes: 6584; PV: a1-b2 a7-b6 b2-c3 b6-c7 c3-c4 c7-d7
>>c4-d3 d7-e7 d3-c4 e7-d7 c4-d3 d7-e7 d3-c4 e7-d7 c4-d3
>>16. Score: .9; Time: 1; nodes: 7885; PV: a1-b2 a7-b6 b2-c3 b6-c7 c3-c4 c7-d7
>>c4-d3 d7-e7 d3-c4 e7-d7 c4-d3 d7-e7 d3-c4 e7-d7 c4-d3 d7-e7
>>17. Score: .9; Time: 1; nodes: 9273; PV: a1-b2 a7-b6 b2-c3 b6-c7 c3-c4 c7-d7
>>c4-d3 d7-e7 d3-c4 e7-d7 c4-d3 d7-e7 d3-c4 e7-d7 c4-d3 d7-e7 d3-c4
>>18. Score: .9; Time: 1; nodes: 10845; PV: a1-b2 a7-b6 b2-c3 b6-c7 c3-c4 c7-d7
>>c4-d3 d7-e7 d3-c4 e7-d7 c4-d3 d7-e7 d3-c4 e7-d7 c4-d3 d7-e7 d3-c4 e7-d7
>>19. Score: .9; Time: 1; nodes: 16249; PV: a1-b2 a7-b6 b2-c3 b6-b7 c3-c4 b7-b6
>>c4-d3 b6-c7 d3-c4 c7-d7 c4-d3 d7-e7 d3-c4 e7-d7 c4-d3 d7-e7 d3-c4 e7-d7 c4-d3
>>20. Score: .9; Time: 1; nodes: 18816; PV: a1-b2 a7-b6 b2-c3 b6-b7 c3-c4 b7-b6
>>c4-d3 b6-c7 d3-c4 c7-d7 c4-d3 d7-e7 d3-c4 e7-d7 c4-d3 d7-e7 d3-c4 e7-d7 c4-d3
>>d7-e7
>>21. Score: 1.8; Time: 2; nodes: 30305; PV: a1-b1 a7-b6 b1-c2 b6-b7 c2-d2 b7-c7
>>d2-d3 c7-b6 d3-e3 b6-c7 e3-f3 c7-d7 f3-g3 d7-e7 g3-h4 e7-f6 h4-h5 f6-f7 h5-g5
>>f7-e8 g5-f5
>>22. Score: 1.8; Time: 2; nodes: 40127; PV: a1-b1 a7-b6 b1-c2 b6-b7 c2-d2 b7-c7
>>d2-d3 c7-b6 d3-e3 b6-c7 e3-f3 c7-d7 f3-g3 d7-e7 g3-h4 e7-f6 h4-h5 f6-f7 h5-g5
>>f7-e8 g5-f5 e8-e7
>>23. Score: 1.8; Time: 2; nodes: 50869; PV: a1-b1 a7-b6 b1-c2 b6-b7 c2-d2 b7-c7
>>d2-d3 c7-b6 d3-e3 b6-c7 e3-f3 c7-d7 f3-g3 d7-e7 g3-h4 e7-f6 h4-h5 f6-f7 h5-g5
>>f7-e8 g5-f5 e8-e7 f5-e4
>>24. Score: 1.8; Time: 3; nodes: 64039; PV: a1-a2 a7-b6 a2-b3 b6-c7 b3-c3 c7-b6
>>c3-c2 b6-a6 c2-d2 a6-b6 d2-e3 b6-c7 e3-f3 c7-d7 f3-g3 d7-e7 g3-h4 e7-f6 h4-h5
>>f6-f7 h5-g5 f7-e8 g5-f5 e8-e7
>>25. Score: 1.8; Time: 3; nodes: 75500; PV: a1-b2 a7-b6 b2-c3 b6-b7 c3-d2 b7-c7
>>d2-d3 c7-b6 d3-e3 b6-c7 e3-f3 c7-d7 f3-g3 d7-e7 g3-h4 e7-f6 h4-h5 f6-f7 h5-g5
>>f7-e8 g5-f5 e8-e7 f5-e4 e7-d7 e4-f5
>>26. Score: 1.8; Time: 4; nodes: 83644; PV: a1-b2 a7-b6 b2-c3 b6-b7 c3-d2 b7-c7
>>d2-d3 c7-b6 d3-e3 b6-c7 e3-f3 c7-d7 f3-g3 d7-e7 g3-h4 e7-f6 h4-h5 f6-f7 h5-g5
>>f7-e8 g5-f5 e8-e7 f5-e4 e7-d7 e4-f5 d7-e7
>>I play a1-b2
>>Nodes: 83k; NPS: 21414; QNodes: 0; MO%: 98; FHA: 2; HC%: 55; Hash%: 58; NM%: 0;
>>egtb hits: 0; Ext's: 0; Total time searched: 3.906
>>
>>(MO% = first-move fail-high percent; FHA isn't important; HC is the percent of
>>time the hash move causes a cutoff; Hash% is the percent of time I find the move
>>in the hash table; the rest is un-important)
>>
>>(told you it was a long post)



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