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Subject: Re: null move position

Author: José Carlos

Date: 09:51:06 04/20/04

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On April 20, 2004 at 12:35:06, Janos Keinrath wrote:

>Here is a position, where you can test your engine zugzwang detection.
>[D]8/8/8/2p5/1pp5/brpp4/1pprp2P/qnkbK3 w - -
>
>The solution is 1.h3 mate in 15. (1.h4? only draw)
>Crafty can't solve this after reaching depth 60.

  Are you sure this is a null move issue? Averno finds h3 pretty quickly, and
its null move is not partilarly smart :)

Averno v0.72hi  WB2 37 MB:
 2   00:00 -59.00   h2h4 a1a2
 3   00:00 -58.85   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5
 4   00:00 -58.95   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1
 5   00:00 -57.75   h2h4
 5   00:00 -55.75   h2h4
 5   00:00 -55.75   h2h4 a1a2 e1f2 e2e1Q f2e1 d1f3
 5   00:00 -55.00   h2h3 a1a2 e1f2 e2e1R f2e1 d1f3
 6   00:00 -55.65   h2h3 a1a2
 6   00:00 -58.85   h2h3 a1a2
 6   00:00 -58.85   h2h3 a1a2 h3h4 a2a1 h4h5 a1a2
 6   00:00 -57.65   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2
 7   00:00 -53.15   h2h4
 7   00:00 -45.75   h2h4
 7   00:00 -45.75   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1
 8   00:00 -45.75   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8Q
 9   00:00 -45.60   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8Q a1a2
10   00:00 -45.60   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8Q a1a2 h8h2
11   00:00 -43.70   h2h4
11   00:00 -43.35   h2h4
11   00:00 -43.35   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8Q a1a2 h8h5 a2a1
12   00:00  0.00   h2h4
12   00:00  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
g6h8
13   00:00  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
g6h8
14   00:00  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
g6h8
15   00:00  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
g6h8
16   00:00  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
g6h8
17   00:00  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
g6h8
18   00:00  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
g6h8
19   00:00  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
g6h8
20   00:01  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
g6h8
21   00:02  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
g6h8
22   00:03  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
g6h8
23   00:07  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
g6h8
23   00:09  M13  h2h3 a1a2 h3h4 a2a1 h4h5 a1a2 h5h6 a2a1 h6h7 a1a2 h7h8N a2a1
h8g6 a1a2 g6f4 a2a1 f4e6 a1a2 e6c5 a2a1 c5e4 a1a2 e4d6 a2a1
24   00:14  M14  h2h3 a1a2 h3h4 a2a1 h4h5 a1a2 h5h6 a2a1 h6h7 a1a2 h7h8N a2a1
h8g6 a1a2 g6f4 a2a1 f4e6 a1a2 e6c5 a2a1 c5e4 a1a2 e4d6 a2a1 d6c4 a1a2 c4a5 a2a1
a5b3

  Arena says mate in 14 when Averno is giving 99972, which means mate in 15. The
strange thing, that I can't check now, is the mate in 14 one iteration before.

  José C.



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