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Subject: Re: null move position

Author: Heiner Marxen

Date: 10:20:10 04/20/04

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On April 20, 2004 at 12:51:06, José Carlos wrote:

>On April 20, 2004 at 12:35:06, Janos Keinrath wrote:
>
>>Here is a position, where you can test your engine zugzwang detection.
>>[D]8/8/8/2p5/1pp5/brpp4/1pprp2P/qnkbK3 w - -
>>
>>The solution is 1.h3 mate in 15. (1.h4? only draw)
>>Crafty can't solve this after reaching depth 60.
>
>  Are you sure this is a null move issue? Averno finds h3 pretty quickly, and
>its null move is not partilarly smart :)
>
>Averno v0.72hi  WB2 37 MB:
> 2   00:00 -59.00   h2h4 a1a2
> 3   00:00 -58.85   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5
> 4   00:00 -58.95   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1
> 5   00:00 -57.75   h2h4
> 5   00:00 -55.75   h2h4
> 5   00:00 -55.75   h2h4 a1a2 e1f2 e2e1Q f2e1 d1f3
> 5   00:00 -55.00   h2h3 a1a2 e1f2 e2e1R f2e1 d1f3
> 6   00:00 -55.65   h2h3 a1a2
> 6   00:00 -58.85   h2h3 a1a2
> 6   00:00 -58.85   h2h3 a1a2 h3h4 a2a1 h4h5 a1a2
> 6   00:00 -57.65   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2
> 7   00:00 -53.15   h2h4
> 7   00:00 -45.75   h2h4
> 7   00:00 -45.75   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1
> 8   00:00 -45.75   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8Q
> 9   00:00 -45.60   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8Q a1a2
>10   00:00 -45.60   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8Q a1a2 h8h2
>11   00:00 -43.70   h2h4
>11   00:00 -43.35   h2h4
>11   00:00 -43.35   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8Q a1a2 h8h5 a2a1
>12   00:00  0.00   h2h4
>12   00:00  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
>g6h8
>13   00:00  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
>g6h8
>14   00:00  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
>g6h8
>15   00:00  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
>g6h8
>16   00:00  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
>g6h8
>17   00:00  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
>g6h8
>18   00:00  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
>g6h8
>19   00:00  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
>g6h8
>20   00:01  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
>g6h8
>21   00:02  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
>g6h8
>22   00:03  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
>g6h8
>23   00:07  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
>g6h8
>23   00:09  M13  h2h3 a1a2 h3h4 a2a1 h4h5 a1a2 h5h6 a2a1 h6h7 a1a2 h7h8N a2a1
>h8g6 a1a2 g6f4 a2a1 f4e6 a1a2 e6c5 a2a1 c5e4 a1a2 e4d6 a2a1
>24   00:14  M14  h2h3 a1a2 h3h4 a2a1 h4h5 a1a2 h5h6 a2a1 h6h7 a1a2 h7h8N a2a1
>h8g6 a1a2 g6f4 a2a1 f4e6 a1a2 e6c5 a2a1 c5e4 a1a2 e4d6 a2a1 d6c4 a1a2 c4a5 a2a1
>a5b3
>
>  Arena says mate in 14 when Averno is giving 99972, which means mate in 15. The
>strange thing, that I can't check now, is the mate in 14 one iteration before.
>
>  José C.

According to Chest it is a mate in 15:

PV: h3 Qa2 h4 Qa1 h5 Qa2 h6 Qa1 h7 Qa2 h8=N Qa1 Nf7 Qa2 Nd8 Qa1 Nb7 Qa2 Nxc5 Qa1
Na4 Qa2 Nb6 Qa1 Nxc4 Qa2 Na5 Qa1 Nxb3#

Cheers,
Heiner



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