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Subject: Re: null move position

Author: José Carlos

Date: 10:33:18 04/20/04

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On April 20, 2004 at 13:20:10, Heiner Marxen wrote:

>On April 20, 2004 at 12:51:06, José Carlos wrote:
>
>>On April 20, 2004 at 12:35:06, Janos Keinrath wrote:
>>
>>>Here is a position, where you can test your engine zugzwang detection.
>>>[D]8/8/8/2p5/1pp5/brpp4/1pprp2P/qnkbK3 w - -
>>>
>>>The solution is 1.h3 mate in 15. (1.h4? only draw)
>>>Crafty can't solve this after reaching depth 60.
>>
>>  Are you sure this is a null move issue? Averno finds h3 pretty quickly, and
>>its null move is not partilarly smart :)
>>
>>Averno v0.72hi  WB2 37 MB:
>> 2   00:00 -59.00   h2h4 a1a2
>> 3   00:00 -58.85   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5
>> 4   00:00 -58.95   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1
>> 5   00:00 -57.75   h2h4
>> 5   00:00 -55.75   h2h4
>> 5   00:00 -55.75   h2h4 a1a2 e1f2 e2e1Q f2e1 d1f3
>> 5   00:00 -55.00   h2h3 a1a2 e1f2 e2e1R f2e1 d1f3
>> 6   00:00 -55.65   h2h3 a1a2
>> 6   00:00 -58.85   h2h3 a1a2
>> 6   00:00 -58.85   h2h3 a1a2 h3h4 a2a1 h4h5 a1a2
>> 6   00:00 -57.65   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2
>> 7   00:00 -53.15   h2h4
>> 7   00:00 -45.75   h2h4
>> 7   00:00 -45.75   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1
>> 8   00:00 -45.75   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8Q
>> 9   00:00 -45.60   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8Q a1a2
>>10   00:00 -45.60   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8Q a1a2 h8h2
>>11   00:00 -43.70   h2h4
>>11   00:00 -43.35   h2h4
>>11   00:00 -43.35   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8Q a1a2 h8h5 a2a1
>>12   00:00  0.00   h2h4
>>12   00:00  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
>>g6h8
>>13   00:00  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
>>g6h8
>>14   00:00  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
>>g6h8
>>15   00:00  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
>>g6h8
>>16   00:00  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
>>g6h8
>>17   00:00  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
>>g6h8
>>18   00:00  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
>>g6h8
>>19   00:00  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
>>g6h8
>>20   00:01  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
>>g6h8
>>21   00:02  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
>>g6h8
>>22   00:03  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
>>g6h8
>>23   00:07  0.00   h2h4 a1a2 h4h5 a2a1 h5h6 a1a2 h6h7 a2a1 h7h8N a1a2 h8g6 a2a1
>>g6h8
>>23   00:09  M13  h2h3 a1a2 h3h4 a2a1 h4h5 a1a2 h5h6 a2a1 h6h7 a1a2 h7h8N a2a1
>>h8g6 a1a2 g6f4 a2a1 f4e6 a1a2 e6c5 a2a1 c5e4 a1a2 e4d6 a2a1
>>24   00:14  M14  h2h3 a1a2 h3h4 a2a1 h4h5 a1a2 h5h6 a2a1 h6h7 a1a2 h7h8N a2a1
>>h8g6 a1a2 g6f4 a2a1 f4e6 a1a2 e6c5 a2a1 c5e4 a1a2 e4d6 a2a1 d6c4 a1a2 c4a5 a2a1
>>a5b3
>>
>>  Arena says mate in 14 when Averno is giving 99972, which means mate in 15. The
>>strange thing, that I can't check now, is the mate in 14 one iteration before.
>>
>>  José C.
>
>According to Chest it is a mate in 15:
>
>PV: h3 Qa2 h4 Qa1 h5 Qa2 h6 Qa1 h7 Qa2 h8=N Qa1 Nf7 Qa2 Nd8 Qa1 Nb7 Qa2 Nxc5 Qa1
>Na4 Qa2 Nb6 Qa1 Nxc4 Qa2 Na5 Qa1 Nxb3#
>
>Cheers,
>Heiner

  Yes, that's my variation at iteration 24. At 23, there must be something with
hashing that I should check.

  José C.



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