Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 10:35:28 04/25/04
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On April 25, 2004 at 06:47:21, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>No Jorge, you are not right.
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>See here:
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>Ruffian vs. Shredder:
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>6Q1/8/p7/7p/8/5q2/5k2/2K5 w - - 0 1
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>Is this won with 6-Pieces?1. Qd8! Qe4! 2. Qf6+! Ke1! 3. Qc3+! Ke2! 4. Qf6! Qc4+! 5. Kb1! h4!
6. Qe5+! Kd3 7. Qd6+! Ke3! 8. Qh6+! Qf4 9. Qb6+! Qd4! 10. Qh6+! Kf2!
11. Qf8+! Ke1 12. Qe7+ Kf1! 13. Qf8+ Qf2! 14. Qh6! a5! 15. Qa6+!
Kg1! 16. Qg6+! Qg2! 17. Qb6+! Kh1! 18. Qxa5! Qf1+! 19. Kc2 Kg1! 20.
Qc3! h3! 21. Kb3! Qf7+! 22. Kb4 Qf4+! 23. Ka5! h2! 24. Qc5+! Kf1
25. Qc6 Kf2! 26. Qc5+! Ke1! 27. Qc6! Qf5+! 28. Kb6! Kf2! 29. Ka6!
Qe5! 30. Kb6! Qb2+ 31. Kc7! Qg7+! 32. Kb6! Qg1! 33. Kc7! h1=Q! 34.
Qb6+ Kf3! 35. Qc6+! Ke3 36. Qb6+ Ke4! 37. Qc6+! Kf5! 38. Qd7+! Kf6
39. Qd8+ Kg7! 40. Qe7+ Kh8! 41. Qf8+ Qg8! 42. Qf6+! Qg7+! 43. Qxg7+!
Kxg7 44. Kc8 Qb1 45. Kd7! Qb5+ 46. Kc7! Kf6 47. Kc8 Qb6 48. Kd7 Qc5!
49. Kd8! Ke6! 50. Ke8 Qe7#
Yes it is won, mate in 50.
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>(Ruffian 2.1.0 has not 6 pieces, but Shredder have it.)
I don't see what this has to do with anything. 6 piece tables are available.
If a program/programmer doesn't use them, that is his decision, hopefully it
won't be an excuse...
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>The Pawn on a6 is not possible in this endgame with white King on the Queen
>site, or?
I don't understand the above?
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>Real position:
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>[D]6Q1/8/8/7p/8/5q2/5k2/2K5 w - - 0 63
That one is a draw...
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>Position without pawn a5:
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>[D]6Q1/8/8/7p/8/5q2/5k2/2K5 w - - 0 1
That one is also drawn.
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>Draw:
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>1. = (0.00): 63.Dd8
>2. -+ (-#76): 63.Da2+
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>But Ruffian (without 6-Pieces) plays Qa2+? and lost.
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>Here won also not the Shredder-engine, it won the 6-men EGTB, or?
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>Eduard
Why does it matter?
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>
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>On April 25, 2004 at 06:26:41, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>
>>Even in a small tourney like this where luck can change the outcome, shredder
>>still doesn't let other programs to win by luck :-)
>>
>>
>>>[Event "?"]
>>>[Site "?"]
>>>[Date "25.??.??"]
>>>[Round "7"]
>>>[White "Ruffian 2.1.0"]
>>>[Black "Shredder"]
>>>[Result "*"]
>>>[ECO "B23"]
>>>[Annotator "thstorm"]
>>>[PlyCount "127"]
>>>
>>>1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 e6 3. Nge2 Nf6 4. g3 d5 5. exd5 exd5 6. d4 cxd4 7. Nxd4 Be7 8.
>>>Bg2 O-O 9. O-O Nc6 10. h3 Qb6 11. Nb3 Rd8 12. Re1 d4 13. Ne2 Bf5 14. g4 Be4 15.
>>>g5 Bb4 16. gxf6 Bxg2 17. Kxg2 Bxe1 18. Qxe1 Nb4 19. Nbxd4 Rxd4 20. Nxd4 Qxd4
>>>21. Qe2 Qxf6 22. Qe4 Rd8 23. Qxb4 Qc6+ 24. f3 Qxc2+ 25. Kg3 Rd1 26. Qc3 Qg6+
>>>27. Kf4 Qd6+ 28. Ke3 Qe6+ 29. Kf2 Qxh3 30. b3 Qh2+ 31. Ke3 Rd8 32. Bd2 h5 33.
>>>Rd1 f5 34. Qc4+ Kh8 35. Qb5 f4+ 36. Ke4 a6 37. Qf1 Rxd2 38. Rxd2 Qxd2 39. Qh3
>>>g6 40. Qc8+ Kg7 41. Qxb7+ Kh6 42. Qb6 Kg5 43. Qg1+ Kh4 44. a4 Qb4+ 45. Ke5 Qe7+
>>>46. Kxf4 Qf6+ 47. Ke4 Qe6+ 48. Kd3 Qxb3+ 49. Kd2 Qd5+ 50. Kc2 Qc4+ 51. Kb2 Qb4+
>>>52. Kc1 Qc3+ 53. Kb1 Qxf3 54. Qxg6 Qb3+ 55. Kc1 Qxa4 56. Qf6+ Kg3 57. Qc3+ Kg4
>>>58. Qc8+ Kf4 59. Qf8+ Kg3 60. Qg8+ Qg4 61. Qb3+ Qf3 62. Qg8+ Kf2 63. Qa2+ Kg1
>>>64. Qa4 *
>>>
>>>It is won (6-pieces EGTB).
>>>
>>>[Event "Waldkraiburg"]
>>>[Site "Waldkraiburg"]
>>>[Date "2004.04.25"]
>>>[Round "7"]
>>>[White "Hydra/Orthus-1.05C"]
>>>[Black "The King"]
>>>[Result "*"]
>>>[ECO "D00"]
>>>[Annotator "thstorm"]
>>>[PlyCount "74"]
>>>[EventDate "2004.??.??"]
>>>[TimeControl "45/3600:1200"]
>>>
>>>{480MB, HYDRA.ctg, SCHLEPPTOP} 1. d4 {0} d5 {(Nf6) 1099} 2. Nc3 {0} Nf6 {12} 3.
>>>f3 {0} c5 {74} 4. e4 {0} cxd4 {(e6) 113} 5. Qxd4 {0} Nc6 {91} 6. Bb5 {0} Bd7 {
>>>103} 7. Bxc6 {0} Bxc6 {89} 8. e5 {0} Nd7 {71} 9. e6 {0} fxe6 {112} 10. f4 {0}
>>>Nf6 {(e5) 94} 11. Nf3 {0} g6 {106} 12. Bd2 {0} Bg7 {94} 13. O-O-O {0} O-O {103}
>>>14. Qe3 {0} Qd6 {(Ne4) 106} 15. Rhe1 {0} Bd7 {122} 16. Qe2 {0} Rac8 {76} 17.
>>>Kb1 {0} Qc7 {(d4) 170} 18. Rc1 {-0.83/16 124} Qb6 {73} 19. Ne5 {-0.82/17 93} d4
>>>{140} 20. Ne4 {-0.86/18 94} Bb5 {(Nxe4) 13} 21. Qf2 {-0.88/17 168} Nxe4 {111}
>>>22. Rxe4 {-0.81/18 0} Bc6 {94} 23. Ree1 {-0.69/18 167} Bd5 {120} 24. g3 {
>>>-0.74/16 7} Bxe5 {105} 25. Rxe5 {-0.65/18 103} Rc4 {(Rf5) 35} 26. h4 {
>>>-0.60/17 203} Qc7 {(Rfc8) 113} 27. Qe2 {-0.20/18 179} Rf5 {(Bf3) 8} 28. b3 {
>>>0.14/18 116} Rc6 {(Rc5) 15} 29. g4 {0.25/18 186} Rf6 {(d3) 123} 30. h5 {
>>>0.21/17 238} Qd6 {5} 31. Qd3 {0.31/16 146} Ra6 {(Kf7) 9} 32. c4 {0.28/17 216}
>>>dxc3 {83} 33. Qxc3 {0.28/16 77} Rc6 {51} 34. Qe3 {0.17/18 103} Rxc1+ {11} 35.
>>>Bxc1 {0.15/17 76} gxh5 {(a5) 7} 36. Rxh5 {0.27/16 94} b6 {(b5) 8} 37. Kb2 {
>>>0.23/16 141} Bc6 {(h6) 82} *
>>>
>>>
>>>Not clrear!
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