Author: margolies,marc
Date: 09:57:39 04/29/04
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Sune, I feel that your sample argument neglects the role of a responsible FIDE arbiter in a world championship match. Someone must see progress even if it is not involving the exchange of pieces of advancement of pawns. If progress can not be shown-- and tablebases will help here-- a draw claim ought to be upheald. It is in fact a sad state when an arbiter is unfamiliar with complex endgames yet must deal with claims of competing grandmasters under current time controls. this has happened in the usa quite a bit. I have heard stories-- but I will not repeat them and name individuals. On April 29, 2004 at 11:42:49, Sune Fischer wrote: >On April 29, 2004 at 10:48:52, Helmut Conrady wrote: > >>On April 29, 2004 at 10:32:45, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On April 29, 2004 at 09:02:39, Victor Zakharov wrote: >>> >>>>>What do you think about the 50 move rule in computer chess, Guy? Any chances to >>>>>modify it for computer games? >>>>> >>>>>Helmut >>>> >>>>My opinion that rules will be fixed one day when tablebases will be more common. >>> >>>A 25 move rule would be more approriated indeed as the 50 move rule. >>>50 moves is just too long knowing that it just causes forfeits at the internet >>>online chess player. Other uses the 50 move rule doesn't really have. >>> >>>Shortly FIDE had extended it to 75 moves, but that was changed back soon >>>afterwards to 50 moves again. >>> >>>I doubt they will ever change it. >>> >>>If they change it, it will be 25 moves sooner than 75 moves. >> >>IMO that would contradict the spirit of chess. Why not allowing to win a won >>position? > >Chess is defined through the rules, if the rules say it's draw then it is draw >and not a won position. > >If you remove the 50 move rule you will see players torturing the opponent for >900 moves in a drawish RN-NN endgame. >They know it is a won position so they won't ever grant a draw, they just can't >figure out how to win it. >Imagine if this is an important game for the world championship, the game will >never end. > >That is not the spirit of chess IMO, you need a rules to prevent the game from >continuing forever. >But the solution is simple, if you have a winning advantage then don't trade >into an endgame you can't win in less than 50 moves. > >I for example try and avoid the KBN-K endgame because I'm not sure if I can do >it in less than 50 moves. >That is correct spirit of the game IMO, it wouldn't be any fun if I got a >trillion chances to win that endgame, he might as well resign on the spot. > >-S. >>Helmut
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