Author: Anthony Cozzie
Date: 16:06:14 04/29/04
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On April 29, 2004 at 17:33:48, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >On April 29, 2004 at 13:40:33, Anthony Cozzie wrote: > >>On April 29, 2004 at 11:28:04, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On April 29, 2004 at 04:09:43, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>> >>>>On April 28, 2004 at 19:25:34, ERIQ wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 28, 2004 at 14:30:13, Chris Taylor wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>The latest and greatest did really well, in the last computer contest. So, will a Windows version (XP or lesser) be made ready for buying? >>>>> >>>>>amazing! there is one buyer :) >>>>> >>>>>>I have my credit card ready? I can even send a postal order, or cheque! >>>>> >>>>>wow!! >>>>> >>>>>>It will make a nice addition to an already growing pile of Chess Stuff! >>>>> >>>>>not sure why?! but to each his own. >>>>> >>>>>IMO. diep couldn't beat it's way out of a paper bag in the middle of a rain >>>>>storm, what would be the purpose in buying it? >>>> >>>>The recent tournaments have shown that Shredder is one leap ahead of all other >>>>engines. I also know this based on my own experiments, as Shredder 8 is the only >>>>engine that consistently scores above 50% against Falcon in my tests. >>> >>>That is a red flag. If Shredder is the _only_ engine that beats you in your >>>tests, I'd personally be very concerned that my testing is badly flawed. IE if >>>you can consistently beat fritz, you are doing something nobody else (except >>>perhaps shredder) is doing... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>With that in mind, Diep's victory against Shredder is even more remarkable. Diep >>>>might have also scored against Hydra, had Erdogan's book hadn't knocked out Diep >>>>already in the opening stage. >>>> >>>>With a good book Diep might even pull off some surprises in the upcoming WCCC in >>>>Israel, especially since it is not running on a massive parallel dinosaur that >>>>apparently did it more harm than benefit in Graz. >>>> >>>> >>>>>save you money and get crafty, you'll feel better afterwards :) >>>> >>>>Crafty is a great engine, and it is free. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't >>>>be interested in other grandmaster-strength programs. >> >>I have suspicions about Omid's tests :) >> >>Before last WCCC he posted some results where Falcon won or drew every match >>against top programs (4 game matches a 40/2), yet at Graz & CCT6 Falcon's >>results were rather average. I think you simply cannot compare Fritz's >>performance on a P3-733 with its performance on a quad xeon. > >My tests were conducted on the same hardware (P3 733MHz). In Graz I ran on a P4 >2.4GHz while other programs benefited from considerably faster machines (in >addition to parallelism). Additionally, in my tests I used fritz8.ctg for both >sides. In Graz I used a random generated book which resulted in very poor >positions for Falcon in almost all games. My intent was not to disparage your engine. I just get annoyed when people post their great private results. Your results were done using conditions quite different from tournament play (slow machine, much better book for you). Even if the conditions were the same, its not polite :) If Falcon has truly improved in strength considerably, then it will show at WCCC04 in a month or two anyway. anthony >> >>Of course, the other possibility is that Omid has bought a dual opteron and >>worked like mad in secret to improve Falcon during the past months, while >>attempting to deceive us by posting all his CCC results with his P3. WCCC04 >>should shed some light on this. >> >>anthony
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