Author: Anthony Cozzie
Date: 16:34:19 04/29/04
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On April 29, 2004 at 19:10:52, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >On April 29, 2004 at 19:06:14, Anthony Cozzie wrote: > >>On April 29, 2004 at 17:33:48, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >> >>>On April 29, 2004 at 13:40:33, Anthony Cozzie wrote: >>> >>>>On April 29, 2004 at 11:28:04, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 29, 2004 at 04:09:43, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 28, 2004 at 19:25:34, ERIQ wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On April 28, 2004 at 14:30:13, Chris Taylor wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The latest and greatest did really well, in the last computer contest. So, will a Windows version (XP or lesser) be made ready for buying? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>amazing! there is one buyer :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I have my credit card ready? I can even send a postal order, or cheque! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>wow!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>It will make a nice addition to an already growing pile of Chess Stuff! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>not sure why?! but to each his own. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>IMO. diep couldn't beat it's way out of a paper bag in the middle of a rain >>>>>>>storm, what would be the purpose in buying it? >>>>>> >>>>>>The recent tournaments have shown that Shredder is one leap ahead of all other >>>>>>engines. I also know this based on my own experiments, as Shredder 8 is the only >>>>>>engine that consistently scores above 50% against Falcon in my tests. >>>>> >>>>>That is a red flag. If Shredder is the _only_ engine that beats you in your >>>>>tests, I'd personally be very concerned that my testing is badly flawed. IE if >>>>>you can consistently beat fritz, you are doing something nobody else (except >>>>>perhaps shredder) is doing... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>With that in mind, Diep's victory against Shredder is even more remarkable. Diep >>>>>>might have also scored against Hydra, had Erdogan's book hadn't knocked out Diep >>>>>>already in the opening stage. >>>>>> >>>>>>With a good book Diep might even pull off some surprises in the upcoming WCCC in >>>>>>Israel, especially since it is not running on a massive parallel dinosaur that >>>>>>apparently did it more harm than benefit in Graz. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>save you money and get crafty, you'll feel better afterwards :) >>>>>> >>>>>>Crafty is a great engine, and it is free. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't >>>>>>be interested in other grandmaster-strength programs. >>>> >>>>I have suspicions about Omid's tests :) >>>> >>>>Before last WCCC he posted some results where Falcon won or drew every match >>>>against top programs (4 game matches a 40/2), yet at Graz & CCT6 Falcon's >>>>results were rather average. I think you simply cannot compare Fritz's >>>>performance on a P3-733 with its performance on a quad xeon. >>> >>>My tests were conducted on the same hardware (P3 733MHz). In Graz I ran on a P4 >>>2.4GHz while other programs benefited from considerably faster machines (in >>>addition to parallelism). Additionally, in my tests I used fritz8.ctg for both >>>sides. In Graz I used a random generated book which resulted in very poor >>>positions for Falcon in almost all games. >> >>My intent was not to disparage your engine. I just get annoyed when people post >>their great private results. > >I simply said that Shredder is stronger than other engines based on my tests >also. If any engine got some praise here, it was Shredder :) > Well lets just say I overreacted and leave it at that. anthony >>Your results were done using conditions quite >>different from tournament play (slow machine, much better book for you). Even if >>the conditions were the same, its not polite :) If Falcon has truly improved in >>strength considerably, then it will show at WCCC04 in a month or two anyway. >> >>anthony >> >>>> >>>>Of course, the other possibility is that Omid has bought a dual opteron and >>>>worked like mad in secret to improve Falcon during the past months, while >>>>attempting to deceive us by posting all his CCC results with his P3. WCCC04 >>>>should shed some light on this. >>>> >>>>anthony
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